I think maybe this isn’t the place for you. You complain about it an awful lot – it seems like every other post of yours is some sort of whining about this board. Maybe you’d be happier if you spent your time somewhere else?
Holy shit, the Dope is allowed to exist for a week. This is great news.
I’m pretty happy. Unlike a large, vocal, trouble seeking portion of the board I am not looking for an echo chamber. The board, as a whole, is very valuable because information and insights from those who think differently or have a different set of underlying assumptions about the world is necessary for challenging how I think and act even.
iiandyiiii, I’ll give you an example that involves you. I was at a “fast” food restaurant waiting 27 minutes for a plain hamburger. Instead of being upset and acting rudely, I asked myself, “self, what would iiandyiiii do in this situation?” That calmed me down. See? That’s personal growth! Thanks to you! I’m not even kidding. Those were the words that went through my head. I have other examples but this is HurricaneDitka’s thread not one of mine.
Now, that doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything and everyone here. What’s the point in that? If I wanted a place where I could have obsequious sycophants I’d make an octopusboard.
He’ll never leave voluntarily, and he’s unlikely to cross the line that will get him banned.
He’s a masochist. He loves the abuse.
Seems strange to me that you would need someone else to tell you not to act upset and rude over an inconsequential fast food burger.
You can’t figure that out for yourself?
Thank you for the kind words.
But I think you’re missing the difference in views here. It’s not about wanting an echo chamber, or “obsequious sycophants”, or some other desire to quash differing/opposing views – it’s about wanting honest and sincere debate and discussion (if we’re talking about GD, Elections, and IMHO) without hate, misogyny, and bigotry.
The posters that generally get the most heat are failing to meet something in that phrase. IMO, HD is lacking the “honest and sincere debate” part (as well as occasional misogyny and bigotry). He often posts stuff he doesn’t believe, or posts stuff just meant to tweak and insult rather than debate. I think WillF is lacking in the “debate” part (I think he’s mostly honest and sincere, and I generally don’t sense misogyny or bigotry from him, though he does appear to possess an awful lot of hatred for those he disagrees with, by my reading). He rarely actually makes arguments, preferring insults and potshots, by my reading. And so on. We welcome opposing viewpoints, when presented honestly with a sincere interest in debate and discussion, and without hatred/misogyny/bigotry.
And the Pit is a place to blow off steam – a pressure release for when someone really gets on your nerves. I think the Pit very helpfully keeps the personal stuff out of the other forums, for the most part. Because those kinds of feelings will always be present, especially when there are issues that people really care about.
So the disagreement (between you and me, or you and those you’re criticizing on the board) is about the motives and characterization of a handful of these posters – HD, WillF, and a few others. It’s not about what we want in the board.
It wasn’t the burger. It was the 27 minute wait. Surely, you can discern the difference?
The problem is that it appears like the complaints are in part motivated by bias. There many, many posts that don’t add anything to a debate yet are completely ignored because the poster generally conforms to the prevalent ideology of the board. What happens with posters on the right is they are noticed precisely because they are a minority opinion and the poster and each post gets extra scrutiny. This extra scrutiny is part of a positive feedback cycle that amplifies awareness of subsequent posts.
Surely you can discern what he was getting at without the need for idiotic contradiction and nit-pickery.
We’re humans, and thus we’ll never be able to perfectly avoid bias. It’s entirely natural that obnoxious trolls who disagree with us are going to get on our nerves a lot more than obnoxious trolls who agree with us. Sure, we can try and fight that tendency, but that doesn’t change human nature.
So rather than defend shitty posters that others are criticizing, why not call out shitty posters that you feel are “sinning” in the same way but aren’t being criticized? Of course, you have your own biases, just like everyone else.
Sanctioning shitty posts and shitty posters helps the board, whether they’re conservative or liberal or other.
It was a dumb question then. Because who wouldn’t be annoyed at a 27 minute wait at a so-called fast food restaurant? Next!
LOL, ok.
You need someone to tell you not to get upset or act rude simply because you had to wait 27 minutes?
Seems like you could figure that out on your own.
I bet if you list some other scenarios where you get upset or act rude, iiandyiiii can tell you not to do that. Think how much better your life will be?
Surely you can see the difference between “annoyed” and “upset and rude”?
Of course it’s annoying to have to wait for 27 minutes for your food at a fast food joint. You’ve every right to be irritated.
The embarrassing part - I would think, and you would have to admit - is to have an anonymous stranger from a message board living in your head, telling you how to be a better human being. Because left to your own devices, you’d do what exactly?
Hey! iiandyiiii, for the most part, is inspirational. Mostly good. Sorta evil. Now I have you in my head saying iiandyiiii shouldn’t be in my head. Where will it ever end? I got my quotes messed up. It’s QuickSilver in my head. I have only had one cup of coffee…
Be a part of a WorldStar video. 
It’s not “a bit” though, it’s all he does. And he does it in a lot of threads, and they often fall apart because of his needling. It’s unpleasant.
I’m very bad at remembering more then 30 seconds ago so you’ll have to make due with my most recent memory of this – in the Trump impeachment thread, Ditka has made no real effort at defending Trump’s actions, he’s made no effort at contributing to an evolving story, etc. To do so would be a losing proposition for him, and he knows it. Instead he finds things that he CAN win on, such as:
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Don’t call it Treason, because Treason pretty much requires a declaration of war and an international enemy. Checkmate, libs!
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Don’t call it a Transcript, because it says right there it’s not a Transcript and so it’s not a verbatim copy of the conversation. Checkmate, libs!
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Trump just wanted foreign corruption investigated. Isn’t that a good thing? Why are you opposed to investigating corruption. Checkmate, libs!
And there are others, but there’s a common theme –
- It’s a point that he can win,
- It’s a point that some other poster will fuck up on if he waits long enough. Someone else is going to come in and call it a Transcript, or they’ll call it Treason, and then, boom! It’s the Ditka show, he can win his point, good for him. Then he goes back into lying in wait.
- It’s a point that nobody really gives a shit about, and it contributes nothing to the discussion except to derail it.
It’s just so… tiring, you know? Rinse, repeat, derail. But it’s all within the rules! So clever! So yeah, it’s a hard thing to define, and I hadn’t heard of sealioning until just now, but if it requires overly broad instructions to get rid of it, I’m fine with it.
Well, there’s your problem right there. Get Juan Valdez in your head, and you will be thankful.
Also, get this song in your head: One eight seven seven Kars 4 Kids
That’s a noble goal but I don’t think it’s working on the SDMB.
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We welcome debate as long as it’s free of hate, misogyny, and bigotry.
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Conservatism is rooted in hate, misogyny, and bigotry. (I see that repeated continually on this board without meaningful objections.)
The end result is that no, someone on the other side of the political aisle is not welcome on this board. The bias has poisoned things far too much. If you have left wing blinders on you can’t see it.
But 2 is not a position held by the majority of the board, or anything close, AFAICT. There are indeed lots of conservatives on this board that aren’t regularly personally attacked and denigrated.
Exactly. And when you can make up lies in the Pit about posters and call them all sorts of untrue nasty names, with even some of the nuttier mods “posting as posters” weighing in, it definitely leads to a very nasty feedback cycle. I got pitted on my 2nd or 3rd post and the whole situation was completely based on deliberate misinterpretations and lies. Then to top it off, the real offenders like to pretend to be some aggrieved victim.