See, here’s where I have a issue. I’m happy you fought the Big Bad Business that messes with lots of people(there’s a multitude of Woe is Me, Amazon done me wrong threads)and won.
My issue is you say things like the “Amazon River is the only Amazon I know” it confuses the whole story.
That is one of those things you might think and laugh about but it falls flat if you actually say it out loud.
I also was confused about your original OP..you use terms and abbreviations that made no sense to me.
Granted that just might be me.
You are difficult to read. And understand. But I think I got the gist. It’s a very interesting tale so I tried. I read and reread.
Don’t worry about DrDeth. He does that to everyone.
Yeah, sorry about that. I know they are the biggest bookseller and other things in the world. I’m happy to put it all behind me. I don’t usually read actual Pit threads (of posters), and though I’ve been busted here, I reckon I smoothed things out and didn’t go to that other horrible place (Pitting me?!).
Anyways, I’d suggest a new thread for where to buy stuff if that develops. I don’t know Temu well enough yet to tout them and they’re not paying me anyways.
I mean, you do you, but that’s the kind of thing I’d do in a weekly or monthly trip along with a lot of other shopping in the city. Better a couple weeks of having to lather up by hand than putting more money in Bezos’ pocket than I have to.
Maybe your take-away from this should be not to buy expensive stuff from Amazon rather than boycotting them completely. Amazon doesn’t care, but you’re giving up a lot of convenience for yourself. I find them very useful.
Again, I see no virtue in personally inconveniencing oneself in support of something that makes absolutely no difference to Amazon or Bezos. I support the idea of taking a principled stand where it matters, but this sure ain’t it.
Sorry, we’re not at home to Mr Drop-in-the-bucket Fallacy. You’re confusing small individual impact with zero impact.
There’s using Amazon for services (I have no real issue with streaming Amazon TV ) and then there’s the kind of delivery-based convenience consumption that’s evolved over the last couple decades. Amazon, Temu, Wish, Ali Baba.
That’s not the behaviour of peasants, that’s very much the life of the bourgeoisie
I’ve ordered from them, once, for a present which I could not find anywhere else. No issues other than “buy more stuff!” spam, FWIW, and that has eased up.
Good. I’m not expected to pit Amazon here. Someone said in the other thread that this was an “edge” case and it kind of broke their computers. Not as an excuse, just a possible reason.
Yet I will say one last time: I ordered it as “Get it by [date]”. I cannot recall doing otherwise where they’d say ‘Jan 10-15’. eBay sure, and if it’s not Royal Mail I’ll try to get it into a locker as other couriers are really poor at finding my house. I’ve used Temu and what they tell me is coming in 15 days arrives that day. They were late (well it sounds like a spraypaint can decided to redecorate something of theirs) once and refunded me plus £4 for being late. They are super cheap and I’d not buy anything I depended on majorly. Yet what I’ve gotten is fine though I’m not naive.
Anyways, this now-thread was about a poster who has his very own Pit thread, which I didn’t know. I’d had enough of him telling me I somehow gamed/defrauded disregarded Amazon’s policies when I fact Amazon (for the cancellation) understood and gave me no grief.
Fair enough, and I’m sure that feeling smugly superior to the bourgeoisie is a lot more personally gratifying than feeling smugly superior to a stinky old peasant.
I would posit that the “drop-in-the-bucket” fallacy is only a fallacy if there are a large number of actors all doing the same thing, either independently or as part of a coordinated effort like a boycott. Otherwise it’s just a drop in the bucket and nothing more.
Despite that, it’s still morally justified if the target is objectively evil, which Amazon isn’t. And AFAIK there’s no mass movement to boycott Amazon to the extent that it produces any measurable results. Overall, the opposite has been happening over the years, or Amazon stock wouldn’t be doing as well as it is and people wouldn’t be whining about the obscene wealth of Jeff Bezos.
My real point was that in this situation, if one chooses to boycott a large popular vendor with a high utility value that provides access to a very wide range of products and generally very good service, then ISTM to be more an act of self-harm than any sort of effective defiance.
Personally, after many years of buying from Amazon, I’ve inevitably had a few small issues but they were all quickly resolved. I’ll continue to buy from Amazon. I would never in a million years buy a Tesla.
Indeed, you know it. My original thread was just taking a victory lap that Amazon Legal capitulated by going the chargeback route at the last minute rather than losing outright. They had till midnight on January 14th to reply in some way to the MCOL claim, else I would have requested a default a minute later. On the law scoreboard, that is not the “no contest” they went for; that is a loss. They could have, at any time before then, requested a 28-day delay, no reason needed, and gotten it.
All that is covered in the original thread. I was not seeking accolades or empathy (I suppose if I wanted that, I reckon it would have been more of an updating thread rather than a wrap-up). I expected the “I haven’t had a problem with Amazon Support” comments, and I added an example (one of quite a few) where I also had no problem, and indeed they were kind & generous.
“The why did you…?” and “Why didn’t you…?” were all questions I had asked myself, despite having support here (friends locally). So I reckon I answered them satisfactorily.
What I did not expect was being told I had violated or gamed their policy. Many times I said that after missing two days (and this was certainly “Get it by [Date]” and I allowed an extra day before requesting a cancel, as no courier had shown up either day.
Amazon support understood and gave me zero grief.
Then the guy who I made my OP in the “What are you thinking” thread showed up to fight for Bezo’s rights. I didn’t know he had a reputation for, I dunno, debating every damn thing or taking the side of billionaires. WTF does he want out of me?
It means more to me that the Dope, in general, knows who I am referring to and supported me in what now stands as the OP here.
A dear friend of mine told me a good saying after I had told them that their beloved Dyson vacuum cleaner had been produced by a Brexiter and all in all bigot: “You can’t consume ethically in capitalism”. And there’s a lot of truth to it. I can boycott the obvious suspects, but how do I know that the alternatives are totally clean, ethically, ecologically and so on? I’d go mad researching every company I buy stuff from for these matters.
Why are you quoting me here? I’m not the idiot who tried to chastise you for allegedly violating Amazon’s policies. That was DrDeth, and feel free to dump on him in the dedicated Pit thread created for that purpose. You did nothing wrong and Amazon was at fault, AFAICT.
I do think, though, that you’re hurting yourself more than you’re hurting Amazon by refusing to do business with them any more. I’m not defending them, and they can sometimes be annoying (like constantly pushing Prime). I’m just saying that I find them to be a very useful vendor, nothing more.
Right, and there’s no evidence that Amazon is actually evil, at least not beyond the normal bounds of capitalist exploitation of low-end warehouse workers. Unlike Elon Musk, who is an actively evil racist and white supremacist.
As I understood it, the “I see no virtue ,” quote referred to the guy who last night wanted nothing to do but take AMZN’s side and chastise me post after post. If that was more about the common man taking the fight to the rich, I support that too. Otherwise please forgive my mistake.
It will be a bitterly cold and freezing day before I check out their glove selection.
