To me, it suggested something more intense than merely “sucking off,” which can be accomplished relatively quickly. Something like “sucked to the point of exhaustion,” as in “played out,” “coffeed out,” “TV’d out,” etc.
It also reminded me of this girl I knew once who used to suck the nickels out of parking meters. 
Yeah, more like 50-100%, minimum. or more. Especially in low stakes.
Maybe that’s the source of your suckout woes, Otto.
Others have said it before, and I’ll say it again… I don’t think you’re playing right for these low stakes games. Probably bad (or even the worst) advice, but given your numerous threads on the subject I think you’re a very solid, patient player. I think you’d do better on bigger tables.
Please allow me to rephrase…
“Without a MAJOR shift in your habits, I think you’d do better on bigger tables”.
These loose games are lucrative, but AKo becomes near worthless. Often times in 1/2 nl holdem, I find myself having to raise 30x the BB just to get heads up with pocket deuces. These tables are THE BEST because of the loose play, but for all that is holy, you are playing no limit for a reaon:
BET ENOUGH THAT IT’S A MISTAKE FOR YOUR OPPONENTS TO CALL.
20% on two pair with a flush draw on board is giving perfect odds for ANY flush draw, and worse if he has a straight draw too, and even worse if he also has a pair which can pull trips, or any over pair with which he can pair the board and make a better two pair.
BET!
BET BIG!
Read David Sklansky’s The Theory Of Poker. It’s perfect for you. And if you haven’t already, Hold’em Poker for Advanced Players.
And if you play tourneys often, my personal favorite, Harrington on Holdem.
Next you’ll say, he had Queens, he would have called anything.
Doesn’t matter.
Calculate your EV and consider it a win.
I gotta head out the door for work in a few minutes so I don’t have time to respond to everything but I wanted to post the hand history.
Texas Hold’em $0.50-$0.50 NL(real money),#842,664,231
Table **Woodsland,22 Apr 2005 10:58 PM ET
Seat1:Michael Woods($46.65inchips)
Seat2:KingsXFan($19.20inchips)
Seat3:Primestar($33.85inchips)
Seat4:senatorwu1($9.40inchips)
Seat6:Otto93($77.70inchips)
Seat8:Bill Smitrovich($9.55inchips)
Seat9:honey_comb1($7.75inchips)
ANTES/BLINDS
senatorwu1 posts blind ($0.25), Otto93 posts blind ($0.50), KingsXFan posts blind ($0.50), KingsXFan posts small blind ($0.25).
PRE-FLOP
Bill Smitrovich calls $0.50, honey_comb1 folds, Michael Woods calls $0.50, KingsXFan checks, Primestar calls $0.50, senatorwu1 calls $0.25, Otto93 checks.
FLOP [board cards JS,4D,7D ]
senatorwu1 checks, Otto93 bets $1, Bill Smitrovich bets $2, Michael Woods folds, KingsXFan folds, Primestar folds, senatorwu1 folds, Otto93 bets $10, Bill Smitrovich calls $7.05 and is all-in.
TURN [board cards JS,4D,7D,6D ]
RIVER [board cards JS,4D,7D,6D,QD ]
SHOWDOWN
Otto93 shows [ JH,4S ]
Bill Smitrovich shows [ QH,QS ]
Otto93 wins $1.95, Bill Smitrovich wins $20.30.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Primestar
Pot: $23.30, (including rake: $1.05)
Michael Woods, loses $0.50
KingsXFan, loses $0.75
Primestar, loses $0.50
senatorwu1, loses $0.50
Otto93, bets $11.50, collects $1.95, net -$9.55
Bill Smitrovich, bets $9.55, collects $20.30, net $10.75
honey_comb1, loses $0
First, I apologize for probably seeming condescending above.
You didn’t play wrong there… obviously (hopefully) you were pretty certain of a raise behind you from which you could push, and you were right and you did.
I guess I saw the 20% bet with the draw on board and thought, “whah?”
But still the dude was getting 2 to 1 on his money with an over pair, and it was easier for him to call all in with his remaining $7 than it might have been given more bets later. Personally, if I were him and I had a stack, I would’ve raised back about $50.
Sometimes you just have to pay that shit off.
Poker Room has lost itself a customer
It was 33% of the pot. Pot was $3 on the flop.
I agree, but to move up to $1/$2 I’d want a bankroll of at least $500 and my finances at this time don’t permit me to keep a $500 roll. Now if anyone were interested in staking me…
I may give the wrong impression with these posts. I win a lot more of these than I lose; I just don’t post the ones I win (I sucked out hard earlier at the same table, semi-bluffing a straight draw vs a middle pocket pair and catching a bigger pair on the river). I wasn’t really even posting this as a bad beat story, more like a “I played poker with a TV star” story.
I would never say that! Reverse analysis is useless. When he raised I put him on AJ; didn’t think he’d just call pre-flop with an overpair to that flop. I didn’t put him on a flush draw at all.
It was a third of the pot.
I don’t question his call at all. I question his pre-flop play. I wouldn’t want to have six people in the pot holding QQ. Too many people with any A are going to call 50 cents, and if an A hits the flop what do you do with your QQ then? And I also don’t like the min raise on the flop. Cutesy play which most of the time is going to bite him in the ass. He was willing to commit his stack on that flop so why not commit it right there?
Cutesy play, indeed.
If he was really a celebrity playing quarter/fifty (what’s the max buy in? $25?) then he was likely playing with the house’s money, and was supposed to play like a fool.
BTW I can’t stand James Woods. What an arrogant jerk.
Say hi to Mike for me. I used to rent laserdiscs at the video store he used to own here in RI.
Maybe, but Michael started with $20 when he sat in and he’d more than doubled his buy-in at this point. Max buy-in is 100xBB so $50; a number of the celebs have their own name tables and from some of the table talk it seems like the celebs buy in for $20 each time. Apparently VVP bleeds money at the NL rings, which somehow doesn’t surprise me.
I ended up about $30 for the session but down about $13 for the day (busted out on the bubble in a tourney, 99 vs AQ and a Q hit the flop, otherwise I’d have been up for the day).
Quite the poker player though, I’m given to understand.
Glad to if/when I see him again. Should I just say hi from Eutychus or will he know you by another name?
And it isn’t like he was playing strip poker with Harvey Fierstein, George Michael, Alexis Arquette, and Jeff Stryker.
Y’know, it LOOKS like English, it really does. All the words are somewhat familiar, and the syntax seems correct.
But damn if I know what the hell he’s talking about!
jayjay (whose last gambling venture was a lottery ticket the last time the PowerBall was at $30 million)
After appearing in the two part Wonder Woman episode ‘Mind Stealers From Outer Space,’ he will always be famous.
I’ve brought the chips and dip - this is a roomy gutter, isn’t it?
It can be like another language at times, argot, or cant, if you will. Hang around degenerate gamblers long enough and you’ll pick it up. I remember watching Rounders the first time before I knew the lingo and liking it, then watching it again after I started playing seriously and understanding all the slang I didn’t get the first time around.
Man, I need to go rent Rounders again.
Here is a pretty decent glossary of poker terms. Doesn’t have “suck out” but that one’s pretty self-explanatory (to catch one of only a few cards, called “outs,” to come from behind and win a hand). In this case I was ~75% to win on the flop (after the first three community cards were dealt) and ~81% to win on the turn (after the 4th community card was dealt). His outs were the two remaining Queens (to make three of a kind), the three remaining 7s and the three remaining 6s (to make a better two pair than mine).
That’s Wednesdays.
I knew exactly what your title was referring to Otto
If you look at the glossary Otto linked to, being sucked out, is the same as having a “bad beat”.
*rolls down to the pit, hits cushion with a loud THWACK
Can someone slide down my drink, please?
Ah, I see. The OP said blinds were $.5/$1.
Doesn’t really change my advice, though. With so many players in the pot, you should go ahead and bet the pot. The underbet only works out if you get raised (otherwise it’s very bad), and even then it’s only optimal if a larger bet wouldn’t have gotten raised.