Well people settle for things all of their lives. Settling for the inferior gaming platform, low res graphics, textures, outdated lighting models, long loading times, crappy performance, because it’s “easy” is unsurprising.
Aaaaaand up goes the nose. It’s not like I personally attacked you or something. I prefer the games I get on the 360 over the PC, although I miss Total War and Civilization type games, but such is life. Like I said, my friends all play on the console, and I can get a full accoutrement of people to play with me at virtually any time, so I don’t regret the decision.
I’ve been playing both Civ V and Fallout 3 GOTY a lot lately. I say pick up the PC version of New Vegas and save up for Civ V later. Civ V is still fairly buggy. I’ve come to expect every new release to be a little buggy, but they might just be able to keep it to a minimum in New Vegas, what with their recycling the FO3 engine. Don’t get me wrong, Civ V is a fine game. I just think it’ll be noticeably better in a few months. Besides, if you’ve been playing Civ IV a lot lately, switching to a different genre should be a nice change of pace.
Definitely get the PC version. Not only is it fun to play around with mods, but console commands can be handy, too. If any Megaton residents glitched and disappeared on you in FO3, getting them back was a lot faster and easier on the PC version.
I’ve lamented my poor outdated lighting models for years now.
Seriously - is that a thing? It doesn’t sound like a thing, and it certainly doesn’t sound like a $500 thing.
I wasn’t personally attacking you either…
Hey that’s fine man. More power to you. I know a few people who prefer CRT TV’s, and others like rotary phones. Whatever floats your boat.
I’m only pointing out (to the OP mainly) that the better game is to be found on the PC.
Actually, I don’t think you said that before. Not sure what that has to do with a single player game though.
You’re going to get a bunch of people to play Fallout: New Vegas with you? Ok, maybe the console version WILL be better…
Well, of course it’s a “thing”.
Lighting is probably one of the most important things in a 3d engine. Because, without it, well, you’d be looking at a black screen for one
Things like SSAO, multiple lighting sources, advanced shaders and a tone of other things that can be done on the PC, but not on the aging consoles make a huge difference in what a game looks like.
I wasn’t going to enter the pissing contest, but you just said “console ftw” and when someone responded with something similarly pro-pc you mock them by implying they’re elitist.
It’s especially funny tacked onto a post where you essentially said “I’m broke and lazy, therefore consoles are better”
You said you have PCs - if they’re not ancient or $200 systems, just throw a decent video card in there. Something $120ish would run circles around your console.
Anyway, he did ask whether to get the PC or console version so it’s kind of relevant here. Obviously in general you should get the PC version of everything, but it’s especially true of games like Fallout where you have thousands of ways you can tweak the gaming experience, or expand or change it entirely. FO3 was better than oblivion in this regard, but unmodded bethesda games are so massively inferior to modded ones.
Well, uh, yeah. Lighting is a pretty big deal. It’s a huge part of the immersiveness of a game, and how real the world seems to you. A lot of the progress we’ve made over the years is in lighting. You might not realize it because you’re not really breaking it down, but it just makes everything seem better.
Anyway, you don’t need $500 if you have anything reasonably modern and reasonably powerful. $60 (used 8800/g92) to $150 (radeon 5770) will turn it into a gaming machine.
Anyway, wait till FO comes out and read reviews. If you’re broke and you want to maximize your gaming dollars, grab civ 5, you’ll get a lot of time out of it.
I own it but I’d honestly give Civ 5 a pass until some things are sorted out and the modding community gets up and running.
As far as Console/PC for Fallout for me it comes down to how good your TV/rig is, because at least for gameplay it doesn’t make a difference as far as I’m concerned.
How does it not make a difference for gameplay? There are thousands of mods that do things from minor tweaks to make the interface better from total conversions that pretty much re-invent the gameplay. New animations and weather and textures that make the world more immersive. New content that adds enemies and areas and objects. Fixes for design flaws in the game. And you get to customize this to however you like.
It actually gets to the point where I feel sorry for people, that great games are experienced in their least interesting way for most of the people who play it.
Yes. It wins out for me.
I have two laptops. I wasn’t even aware that you could cram a video card into these things.
Also, it’s interesting to see the things people get fired up over.
Who’s fired up?
And we’ve been through this before. I don’t know why you’re instigating. Yes, it bothers me that progress in gaming has come to a screeching halt and that the quality of gaming has been on the decline because we’re locked in to 2004 low to mid range level hardware for a decade, where games are dumbed down to account for inferior and limited input methods, and where people can’t even control the software. Processing power has multiplied several times but we’re left spinning our wheels because people who can’t be bothered to put slightly more effort and money into something control the market. I don’t care about your hobby except in so far as it damages my hobby. I wish we could go back to the days where consoles were seperate devices instead of just really shitty little PCs so I didn’t have to suffer the damage it does to our now shared gaming industry.
Essentially, for me, theres a mind meld with the game for an Xbox controller that isn’t there with the AWDS keys and a mouse.
And as far as the mods, if Wack-a-Mole’s ten best are truly it, I’ll pass. I sincerely don’t care about minor graphic tweeks designed specifically for next-gen rigs or making the sun particularly shiny.
So? Play the game with an xbox controller on the PC.
The mods are much more extensive than that. Some add areas, some change gameplay mechanics (like making you take care of basic food/water needs or changing the system so that ammo is much more scarce but more powerful, etc), some add traits, some redo the way the levelling system works or redoes the balance and types of mods, some improve the interface. There are thousands of stuff that aren’t just graphical tweaks - although the graphical stuff can be a massive improvement too.
Then, as I said, it would come down to the difference in quality between your computer and your tv.
Xbox 360 controllers are amazing. I don’t have a 360, but I’ve picked up a few over the years because they’re by far the best controllers available. I’ve blown so much money on junk controllers over the years, at least a dozen of them from $8 - $50 each, but the build quality and comfort of the 360 controller is nothing like any of them.
If you’re on a budget and don’t need the analog stick, the Logitech Precision controller is a great value. It’s a solidly-built pre-Dual Shock type that you can find for $5 on sale. I have four of them. I bust them out all the time for 4-player MAME stuff.
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So graphical quality is all important when it comes to TV vs monitor (a battle the TV usually loses btw), but it’s irrelevant if the PC can do way more resolution, a higher frame rate, graphical tweaks to make it look any way you want, higher quality textures and models and effects, better post processing, etc?
The idea that the TV running at like 1200x700 or less 30 FPS is gonna make up for the massive graphical advantages is silly.
You are assuming everyone has a computer that can run this balls out with a monitor and sound system to match.
You’d be wrong.
No, I’m assuming they have a computer that’s better than low/mid range 2004 technology. If they don’t, it seems unlikely that they’d be considering buying it for PC.
I don’t think you appreciate how little processing horsepower it takes to replicate xbox 360 level technology.
And even so, you’re moving the goalposts. You said it comes down to the controller - I dismissed that saying you could use any controller you want on the PC - so you say it comes down to TV vs monitor - I dismiss that since it’s silly to care about graphics in the form of the TV but not care about them in the form of everything else (and even then it’s a false dichotomy because most monitors have more res/detail/reactivity/etc than TV) and now you’re playing the “well someone might have a packard bell 486 from 1992” card.
To even be considering one vs the other, you have to have a computer that’s at least moderately capable, so if that’s the case, the PC has the advantage with mods, controls (even if you’re some sort of subhuman that prefers a gamepad for FPS games, you have that option on the PC), graphics, and… pretty much everything.
Can we drop the quibbling about graphics? What makes the PC version of these games superior is the ability to use mods, not extra anti-aliasing.
No. Why? It’s a perfectly relevant point. Why in the world would you limit yourself to discussing only one advantage when there are several. The massively superior graphics are part of what makes the PC version better. As is the modding. As is the options in controls.
Someone please hit me with the “uh but I’m cooler than you because I care about gameplay more than graphics!” line. Because you know, it’s the same gameplay. No, actually, it’s better gameplay on the PC since you can massively modify and expand the game and improve it in any way you want. But anyway - how in the world does making the game look better and more immersive and more interesting not rate as relevant?
It’s a tired, worn out point. The horse is dead. If someone posts that they’d have to spend $800 to get their 2-year old computer to play New Vegas, fine, tell them that adding a 5770 is cheap. But we’ve had this debate about pc/console graphics and control over and over and over again, and no one ever convinces anyone.
The really interesting difference between the versions of this particular game is the mods. In the FO3 threads, over and over and over again people would complain about this or that mechanic, and virtually every time there were mods that would’ve cured what ailed them. But they had the console version. So they couldn’t make the nights darker, or do anything about high gear degradation rates, or make it more FPS-ish, or make it less FPS-ish, or even expand Three Dog’s playlist from 10 songs to 110 songs.