By going on an irresponsible, self-righteous crusade she put her children in danger. If she didn’t like the neighborhood,s he could have moved out. It was stupid to deliberately enrage dangerous people. Who gives a shit if the “bad guys win?” At least her kids would be alive. She had no right to endanger them like that.
The best way to get drugs off the street is to legalize them.
Where the hell did that come from? All I said was that at the very least this guy deserves the same punishment he saw fit to give the mother and her family.
Now, usually I don’t call for people to be punished in this manner but this case just really bugs me. Here was a woman, who for all intents and purposes, was trying to do good by reclaiming her neighborhood from the drug dealers and the junkies. Then along comes the perp who has the beef with the woman, except for the fact that she is messing with his ability to get high, and kills her and her family. There is just something so wrong with that and evil about that that I have no problem with calling for this guy’s burning.
Oh and White Lightning, when I start going around and setting houses on fire and killing innocent people for no good reason then yeah, I do deserve the same punishment. But since that is not bloody well likely to happen then I think I’m safe for the time being.
going with your kids to lunch and reporting crime is a ‘self righteous’ and ‘irresponsible crusade’?
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Diogenes you are an idiot. Who cares if the bad guys win? Do you really think like that? I care. If those dealers move into my neighborhood I will fight it. Move? 'scuse me? Why should we have to move? And if we choose to chicken out who would buy a house in a neighbohood with dope dealers on the corner? Evil needs to be fought wherever it is found.
If you don’t have any kids and you decide that other people’s drug habits are somehow your business, then fine, nark out all your neighbors.
But if you have kids, then I’m sorry, their safety has to supercede everything. That woman had to KNOW that it was stupid to piss off drug dealers. She CHOSE to deliberately put her family in danger.
She was putting their safety above everything. Safety from fucking drug pushing scum. No one should have to live under the assumption that their house is going to be firebombed for doing the right thing.
Obviously she DIDN’T get any safety from the drug dealers did she? She put her ego ahead of her kids. If she would have minded her business their would have BEEN no fucking fire bombing. How were the drug dealers hurting her kids BEFORE she turned in Nancy the Nark?
Are you a drug dealer? Surely you see a difference between recreational drug use and dealing on a street corner, right? I live in Baltimore. Granted, I live in a nice area downtown, I hear about drug wars all the time. Once drug dealers move into your neighborhood and start dealing on the corner right outside of your house, you can almost rest assured the shootings will start. Kids die because of what you call ‘other people’s drug habits’.
This woman chose to not want to have her kids die by getting hit by a stray bullet. She alerted authorities to try to keep her corner safe for her kids. You call this putting her family in danger? Like any sane person, I call this trying to save them. She is not to blame!
The more I think about your reaction, the more pissed off I get. I’m not going to call you an idiot because I don’t know you but you are woefully ignorant as to how a crime-ridden inner city neighborhood works. I’d very much like you to send a letter to the surviving family expressing your opinion of this victim. I’m sure they’d love to hear from someone like you.
Juanita, I LIVE in a metropolitan city. I HAVE drug dealers in my neighborhood. I have them in my apartment building. I ALSO have a three year old daughter. I am not about to endanger her life by taking it upon myself to clean up my neighborhood. I really don’t give a shit if other people do drugs OR if they sell them. I’ve done a lot of work with inner-city kids in a variety of contexts (in school, after school, summer programs,etc.) and believe me, I know about drug culture. But I’m also not a moron. Trying to take on the bad guys doesn’t work. Believe me, the bad guys will win. Real life isn’t like a movie of the week. The police already know where the drug dealers are. I wouldn’t be giving them any information they don’t already have, all I’d be doing is making myself (and my family) a target. Drugs are not a danger to my kid unless she actually INGESTS them. The best way to deal with kids in these neighborhoods is to give them self-esteem, education and alternatives.
Let me be clear:
The murderer is the evil one here. The murderer should get life in prison without parole. (I am against the death penalty)
I feel terrible about those poor kids, but their mother, goddamnit, was STUPID to try to take those people on.
One of the most articulate posings of this question I’ve seen.
And Amp, I think this was more of a rhetorical question than a slam against you. At risk of turning this perfectly good rant into a GD, isn’t it still horrific to burn a man alive, even if he’s a murderer? Doesn’t committing that act of cruelty (for it is cruel, even if the victim is “evil”) somehow justify horrific acts being enacted against you? Eye for an eye justice could turn this country pretty ugly pretty quickly.
Jesus CHRIST Diogenes. Talk about ‘the terrorists have already won’. If everyone just sat back and said “I’m not going to take it upon myself” the whole fucking world would fall apart.
Diogenes, I’m actually going to half-way agree with you here, because of this one statment in the story.
The mom was aware that her family was a target, and declined the protection that may have saved her children’s lives. It doesn’t make their murderer any less culpable, but–IMHO–it does make her a bit of a fool.
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but bella, promoting the idea that no one should report criminal activity to the police because the bad guys always win anyway is repulsive and sad at best, don’t you think?
I take it no one in your neighborhood has ever been killed by a stray bullet, Dio. That’s a reality here in Baltimore. It happens far too often here. When drug dealers decide they want to set up their neighborhood pharmacy of illegal drugs on your front steps, it’s time to do something.
When you say things like this woman put her ego above the welfare of her children, it makes me question your sanity. Calling this woman stupid for putting her family’s safety above her own fears is unjustified. You make it sound as if you’re safe because you sit by and do nothing.
By the way, the police can and do learn things from tipsters they might otherwise not have known. Working with civilians is a very good way to infiltrate and dismantle criminal organizations. I know because my hubby is a cop.
You’re very ignorant if you think drugs can only harm your daughter if she ingests them. Technically, your words may be correct. Theoretically, though, you’re living in la-la land.
And, the only way for the police to have the info that Diogenes says they already have is for someone to have told them! They don’t “already have” that information if no one gives it to them.
She obviously didn’t GIVE a shit about the safety of her kids did she? She turned DOWN police protection when she had the chance.
I HAVE heard gunshots outside my window at night. I don’t know the relative difference in the danger of inner-city neighborhoods of Baltimore vs. Minneapolis (I HAVE lived in washington DC and the twin cities are nowhere near as bad as THAT was) but I know I’m not John Wayne. I’m not going to go and try to confront anybody. I’m not saying no one should EVER call the cops, but that’s not the same as going on a personal crusade. This woman was creating MORE danger not LESS by her actions.
The part where you lose a lot of us Dio is when you say she “didn’t give a shit about her kids safety”. She gave her fucking LIFE for her kid’s safety and, tragically, it took her children as well. She also was working for OTHER children and adults’ safety, and was willing to take risks to get drug lords out of her neighborhood, and would have worked to keep YOUR kid safe too.
The fallacy in your argument is that her kids are fucking DEAD. They would not be dead if it wasn’t for HER behavior. Her actions did NOTHING to make ANYBODY safer. All she did was get her kids murdered.
Was she misguided in not taking the offer of police protection? Probably. Maybe she thought that having a cop car sitting in front of her house would make her more of a target.
Diogenes, are you even human? A reptile would show more warmth and compassion.
I have no qualms with this asshole burned to death. If I was that husband who woke up, after I healed I would have no problem killing this piece of shit with a blow torch. I’d start with his feet and work very, very slowly.
And no, that wouldn’t mean that I now deserve the same thing. Is there no sense of acting against an innocent vs. acting against the guilty? This “all lives are equal” idea is bullshit. This woman and her childrens lives were worth much more than the animal who burned them.