I just spent my vacation with a group of elderly people--and I liked it!

I just returned from a six-day adventure in Sedona, AZ with a group of 13 people. I was the youngest at 37. The oldest was 73. The median age was about 67.

If you ever listen to “All Things Considered”, you’ve heard the ads for Road Scholar. I’ve always been fascinated with deserts and I love to hike. So on a whim, I signed up for one of the hiking programs run by Northern Arizona State. It was only sometime later that I realized the thing was targeted to retirees, not people in my age demographic. But I wasn’t fazed. Since the program was rated “moderately challenging”, I figured no one older than 60 would be interested.

So imagine my surprise when I showed up at check-in to find a bunch of grandmothers–and not the kind who look too young to be grandmothers. But the same folks you might see wearing applique sweaters at the church potluck.

To be honest, I instantly felt a little disappointed. No way we were gonna be doing the intense hiking that I had been dreaming about for half a year. And then I was worried how everyone was going to treat me, the “baby” of the group. Over dinner that first night, everyone talked about all their exotic travels and adventures. I asked a lot of questions, but had few stories of my own to contribute. Everyone had children and grandchildren or spouses at home to brag about. Again, except for me. After every cultural reference or joke, someone would say, “Wait a minute! Poor monstro probably doesn’t know what we’re talking about since she wasn’t born then!” Whenever I politely asserted that I wasn’t that young, they’d playfully roll their eyes and laugh. So initially I felt I’d unintentionally placed myself in a situation where (yet again) I was the odd girl out.

But then we started hiking. Suddenly those grandmothers didn’t seem so old anymore. I wasn’t at the back of the pack or anything, but it’s not like I was always in the front either. One of the most hardcore in the group was this little lady in her 70s. The previous week she’d hiked all up and through the Grand Canyon.

I have always gotten along with people considerably older than me. When I was a little kid, I was always “friends” with teachers rather than girls my age. Even now, I’m much more sociable with the coworkers who are in their 50s than the ones who are in their 30s and 40s. But I have never really liked “old” people. And prior to this experience, I would have said the 70s is when most people start getting “old”. That’s the age when folks stop censoring themselves. That’s when they start being more openly smug and judgmental and condescending. That’s when they start being more stubborn and set in their ways. And that’s also when they start becoming detached from what’s going on with regards to technology and pop culture.

Sure, I encountered some smugness. But it wasn’t smugness directed at the younger generations–which is what I expected (and dreaded). It was directed at other “old” people! Like the retirees just sitting at home, watching TV. Or old people content with sight-seeing bus tours, who are too “lazy” to actually walk around and experience things up-close. Since my parents could be described like this, I felt a little defensive when my hiking mates would start on their tirades. But it was interesting nonetheless, because it’s like they thought those old people made them look bad. It made me wonder if they were pushing themselves so hard on the trails to prove something.

Another thing that surprised me was that no one complained about anything. In my experience, if anyone’s going to complain about something, it’s going to be the old person (lady, especially) in the room. But not so this time. Even when it was clear that the group leader had lost his way for a bit and forced us to cut through a couple of miles of tough terrain, no one in the group uttered a single negative thing. One lady quietly confided in me that she thought we were being pushed too hard, but she didn’t say so to the group. I wonder if they would have been more comfortable being “negative” if they had been 30 years younger.

Everyone made it to the sixth day intact. No one injured themselves. No one fell off any cliffs or had heart attacks. The only people who skipped out of some of the hikes for rest and relaxation purposes were the two women in their 50s (if I was the “baby”, they were the “teenagers”). Everyone else was totally hardcore. I was thoroughly impressed with our collective performance and by all the splendor we got to experience.

Age really is just a number, ya’ll. I think if everyone was able to have a vacation like the one I just had, no one would be afraid of getting old.

Nice photos! I love pictographs, it’s one of my favorite things about the southwest. That’s a great story- I hope I can be that active and adventurous at that age.

Or at least they’d see the advantage to be gained by taking good care of themselves along the way.

Glad you had a fun time.

Great pictures! The stream almost looks out of place, it’s so lush. Uh, is that a snake around you, dear? :eek:

Glad you enjoyed it. It must have been just challenging enough and good most everyone was up to it. Funny that it was the fifty year olds who pooped out.

Super pix!

Was that really a snake in that lady’s pocket or was she just glad to see you?

When I lived in Maine, I was out horseback (trail) riding when I met a couple of older ladies, also riding. I got their info and we became regular riding buddies. The one I connected most with turned out to be in her mid 70s! (I’m 33.) She’s amazing, and also had an art group of even older folks that I joined. I loved my old lady friends, they were a blast. And I found them to be just like you describe, not cranky or bitchy at all, with fantastic humor. A lot of us are still facebook friends. I definitely know a lot of people my age who complain a lot more than those fantastic women.

That was Oak Creek and it did feel out of place. One moment we were surrounded by cacti, and the next we were in a grove of sycamore trees, with a churning stream in the background.

We had a guest lecturer come and talk to us about desert critters. She brought with her a little menagerie of snakes and tarantulas, and they were actually kind of affectionate, in their own creepy-crawly way. I’m not going to rush out to the pet store any time soon, but now I have a better appreciation for why people keep them as pets.

I was terrified I’d be the one who pooped out! Someone had to do a good job representin’ us 30-somethings!

People who are 67 years old probably don’t consider themselves as “elderly”.

Wasn’t sure who that was. Was that a critter you all might come across on your hikes?

Old dudes got good stories.

I ran into a guy in KFC one time years ago and he had a hat with some military (Army Air-Corp) stuff on it. I asked him about it while waiting for my chicken and got a cool story of B-24 bomber raids over Europe in WW2.

He was one of the gunners. Got shot down, plucked out of the ocean, and flew a bunch more missions.

Old dudes got good stories.

Not too long ago, my inlaws might have been in that group, but now in their mid-80s, age has really kicked in hard. In fact, in about an hour, my FIL is having a knee replaced. And my MIL has a pacemaker and by this time next year, she won’t be able to drive because of her vision. But up until about 5 or 6 years ago, they were always going places and doing stuff. It’s rough to watch them get old so fast, tho they put up a good fight.

They’d love to be bus-tour folks, but even that may be beyond them by this time… :frowning:

Good for those who can keep going!

Mid-80s is quite a few years past when other folks take the plunge over the edge.

If they only spend a year or so in the declining mode on the way out, that’s my definition of success. And to get to do it that late is even better.

I personally love hanging out with an older crowd every now and than. They have way more to talk about and want to share their experiences with you. I had one friend who was 45 years older than me. We were always cracking up and he had the most fascinating stories for me. I never got tired of them! Cheers to the oldies but goodies!

Glad you had a good time hangin’ with the geezers. At 67, we still do hikes every year, mostly in the Cascade Range, and walk regularly. We spent a month in the Southwest a couple of years ago, hiking the pueblos and parks.

The people you describe sound like the people I want to become as I age. I am not so much scared of dying itself but disability and chronic pain scare me.

As a question, what did these old women do their entire adult lives? Did they live as housewives, or did they work manual labor? From what I’ve seen people who work manual labor their whole lives or jobs that require a lot of standing and walking do not age well.

Glad you had a good time.

How much did you get?

:stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

There were a few schoolteachers and a legal secretary. One lawyer, one hospital administrator, and an accountant. I think there was one home-maker, but she phrased it as helping her husband’s business. The only one who had to work on her feet was the former flight attendant, but I’m guessing she retired a long time ago.

They all seemed pretty active with volunteer work when they weren’t traveling the world. A few of them lived in “active” retirement communities.

To be honest, it didn’t take long before all the talk about kids and grandkids and world travels started getting on my nerves. I like hearing stories from the wiser generation, but it kind of seemed like a dick-waving contest after awhile, especially with this one lady. But after getting to know them all better, I learned that most them hadn’t been so active before they were retired. Back when they were my age, they were loaded down with parenting responsibilities and didn’t even know where Sedona was on a map. So at least with respect to experiencing different places, I am “mature” for my age. I felt better after seeing myself in this light.

Also, all the sneak-bragging eventually became entertaining. Every single topic, no matter how irrelevant, would trigger this one lady to ramble on about her and her husband’s various travel adventures. “That reminds me of the time we went to Some-Exotic-Remote-Place in Some-Tiny-Tropical-Island-Nation-No-One-Has-Heard-Of-And-That-I-Can-Barely-Pronounce…” After the eleventy-billionth story from her, I couldn’t help but laugh.

Another interesting thing: Even though almost everyone was married (there was one divorcee and a couple of widows), most of the hikers were like myself–traveling alone. I was afraid I’d be the lone weirdo, but apparently being a solo traveler is a hip thing to be. So yay, I was actually cool for change! :slight_smile:

You’re cool here too you know. How do you plan vacations? I’ve never been good at planning lone vacations. I’ve always gone somewhere that someone else planned, so I never had to learn about it. And I personally, on some level, worry it won’t be as enjoyable by myself but who knows. All my vacations have either been planned by/with someone else, or I planned it and went with someone else, or I visited a place where I knew someone who was already there.

Are there groups devoted to teaching a person how to vacation solo? It sounds like something I could stand to learn more about.

Actually, this was my first “group” vacation. Normally when I travel, I really travel all alone. And it’s fun doing this, but less so when you’re on a tight budget like I (usually) am. For instance, a couple of years ago I went to NYC alone. To save money, I went camping at Bennett Field in Brooklyn. It was an interesting experience, but not one I’d want to do again. If I had gone along with someone else, we could have shared a hotel room for a couple of nights. But besides sleeping outside, I had a blast being all by myself. I saw a play in Greenwich Village, went to the San Gennaro Festival two times in a row, and checked out the High Line and a couple of museums. It helps that I know NYC pretty well, but still. A solo trip can be fun with some planning.

But the advantage in signing up for an educational travel program like this one was that I didn’t have to do anything but show up. The meals and lodging were covered in the cost of the enrollment. With the exception of a single “free” evening, the rest of the time was filled with pre-arranged activities. Like, one night a lady came to talk to us about desert wildlife (hence, the picture of me with the snake). Another night some country and western musicians played for us. You can ditch any activity you want (I didn’t go to the music thing and instead slept off my jetlag), but at least you don’t have to go through the trouble of finding your own entertainment, which can be hit or miss if you don’t know what interests you.

If I had gone to Sedona in my usual “go it alone” fashion, I would have hiked a great deal, but I likely would have stuck to the main trails. Which means I wouldn’t have seen anything half as cool as what I got to see (like the ruins). It also means I wouldn’t have learned much, because I wouldn’t have had anyone pointing out the interesting plant life or giving me the history of anything. It just would have been me out there in the desert, pretending to enjoy myself. So I’m glad that’s not what happened. :slight_smile:

You should go to the Road Scholar website and see if you can find a program that interests you. It will be awhile before I’ll be able to do something like this again, but I’m looking forward to the “next time”, whenever that may be.

Thanks for sharing those pics…love the shots of the ruins in that alcove. I hope I’m up for that kind of hiking when I’m in my late 60s.