I keep kosher. Can I eat Mr. Tumnus?

I had a conversation last night which began with discussion of the apocalypse and shortly thereafter veered into a discussion about The Chronicles of Narnia (don’t ask), and ultimately the question came up: would a faun, such as the lovable Mr. Tumnus, be kosher? He’s got cloven hooves, so would the only deciding factor be whether he has the digestive system of a goat and chews his cud? He can think and speak, but he’s definitely not human (obviously, plus he’s not considered a “son of Adam”), so could I kill him without it being considered murder (as I understand it, scavenging carrion is by definition not kosher)?

IANA rabbi or a mashgiach.

IMnshO, a sentient being is not kosher.

More practically, a faun is only half a goat; the other half is closer to a hyperadvanced orangutan {read: genus Homo} than any kosher animal. So, no.

I don’t recall him chewing the cud, and I think he came to eat a few times, so I’d say treif. Plus, hes’ sentient.

Having never read the Narnia books, I must say that I came into this thread expecting a completely different topic of discussion! :smiley:

I submitted your question to the Great Lion by celestial fax. The answer came back as follows:

Do not entertain such follies in your mind. You know perfectly well that fauns are persons.

Nitpick: I think you mean “sapient.” Cows are sentient. :wink:

Only his feet have cloven hooves, not his hands/forelegs. I’d say that alone is enough to disqualify him.

It’s highly unlikely that fauns chew their cud, since most of their digestive tract is in their human half. The other deciding factor is whether a faun’s milk curdles. This question may be unanswerable, since, AFAIK, there are no female fauns.

I’d have to go with No, too.

Do you know if there’s anything Halachically about an animal that has some cloven hooves and some non-cloven hooves?

Of course there are female fauns. It’s just that the only NAMED faun is Tumnus. Anyway, here’s the Wikipedia article on satyresses. (Fauness redirects there.)

There are no such animals.

Well, there’s Mr. Tumnus. But the mere fact that a situation hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean nobody’s ever considered the situation.

And any gamer knows named monsters have the best loot. Tumnus probably drops druid gear…

I won’t ask about the topics, but I am curious whether alcohol and/or sleep deprivation were involved.

Given the portrayal of him eating given in the books (minimal, but human sorts of food) I’d guess he is NOT a cud-chewing animal thus, combined with “splitting the hoof”, traif. Best to err on the side of caution.

Unless, of course, you are using the term “eating” as a euphemism for oral sex which is OK with me, personally, but gets into issues of inter-species sexual contact and possible bestiality. But I’m assuming that’s not what you meant.

Interesting - I’m unfamiliar with the curdling thing. Is that an actual ‘test’ of kosherness?

Shockingly, alcohol was indeed involved. And yeah - I just looked it up in the book, and we see him eat (amongst other things) a boiled egg and sardines on toast, so I’m guessing he’s not a ruminant.

And, well, I did not mean the more erotic implications of my questions - and anyway, I’ve never seen a depiction of Mr. Tumnus that included any sort of visible genitals.

IANAJew, but my understanding (from other threads contributed to by knowledgeable and Kosher Jews) is that, if your life is in peril, and could be saved by doing something that is expressly forbidden (for instance, if you were starving to death, literally, and the only food available to you was a pork chop), then it is more a sin to not save your life than it is to eat something non-Kosher.

(Does ‘Kosher’ get capitalized? :confused: )

Yes. I don’t know if this is scientifically true, but the idea is that milk from a kosher animal curdles and milk from a non-kosher animal doesn’t.

There are still a handful of absolute prohibitions, as I understand it: If, for instance, you’re kidnapped by savages and they force you to worship their idolatrous gods or be killed, I think you’re supposed to die rather than take part in idolatry. Such situations are even rarer than starving but for a pork chop, though.

If he gets excluded from eating eligibility (in part at least) by being sapient, then it would equally not be bestiality. Miscegenation possibly, but not bestiality… although his percentage furry is disturbingly high. :slight_smile:

I think you could eat his legs…

And you could probably do that without killing him.