So for something that is unquantifiable, but from the known statistics can be inferred to be small enough to be close to noise, you’re willing to fight, pass legislation, create enforcement of the said legislation, and inconvenience every law-abiding gun owner.
THAT is why I am against it. Bring evidence that it will reduce homicide by some significant percentage, and I may be for it.
Serious question… If you buy a gun legally, and I steal it from you and use it to commit a crime, is that gun legal or illegal?
At what point does a gun become “illegal”? I would guess that virtually every gun crime ever committed was done with a gun that was “legal” at some point, unless there are masses of them being stolen out of gun factories.
No, you don’t understand. It cannot be inferred to be small enough to be noise either. The right sort of data is simply not collected, and I doubt it ever will be collected. Gun store owners don’t generate stats on people who end up not buying guns from them. And even for those people who do buy the gun despite a waiting period, there is no data collected (or that can be collected other than by self-reporting) on how many of them cool down and don’t go on a shooting spree. Has anyone ever written to their Congressman, “Thanks for voting for the waiting period! I was gonna slaughter my whole family, but after a couple of days I realized it was a bad idea.”?
I don’t believe I should be required to keep guns locked up in my home, certainly not when I am there.
The assault rifle ban will probably come back. Someone could make a lot of money manufacturing magazines for the AR-15 that look as though they hold thirty rounds, but only hold ten.
That would make it difficult to clean them.
Puh-leese, quit saying “legal” gun owners as if legal gun owners have never sold on their weapons, and pretend said weapons were never used to commit crimes.
There should be universal registration and background checks for new and used buyers. You’re a legal gun owner and never irresponsibly sell it on without the buyer passing the background check, then things are cool. You sell it on to some perp that can’t pass a background check, well you should be open to penalties (legal and/or civil) if your weapon was used in a crime. Pretty simple. It’s about the same concept as if you sell or provide alcohol to a minor.
You’re welcome.:o
But I still take exception to you characterizing my point as a personal attack. You said you had lost track of a gun and then later stated you were not a “menace to society”. If asking you to explain that is a personal attack, then pretty much any question is.
Illegal. The statistic I was quoting was in response to suggestion that waiting periods in any way significantly reduce shootings. As I said, that implies legal firearms used in a homicide - something that happens in very small percentage of homicides. And as per your previous post - the reason why I am looking at current homicides committed by legally-owned weapons in Rochester NY is because there is no waiting period for “assault rifles” and shotguns there.
As a matter of interest, the kid who shot himself in the back of a patrol car in Memphis did it with a stolen gun.
I gave the example of Rochester, NY because they don’t have the waiting periods for long guns - that is rifles and shotguns. And they did collect data on crimes committed with illegal guns - as I said, more than 95%.
Indeed.
WTF does that have to do with crimes that aren’t committed, or guns that aren’t sold because of a waiting period?
Because if you’re all in a huff and need a gun in Rochester, NY, you go and buy a shotgun. Or an AR-15. No waiting period.
And he has since lost his gun permit in Tennessee 
See here I love it!!
I did. I locked my fucking door on my fucking house. Can’t help that the m’fer broke into my house.
Idjits.
Responsible gun owners can.
Gotta side with Fear Itself here. Most homes are trivially easy to break into by anyone who’s determined to do so. Some sort of gun safe or lock box- bolted down- is essential.
How does it bolt down if you rent? My landlord is going to be miffed if I start screwing a gun safe into the studs or foundation of my apartment building. Are we saying that the only people allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights are those who live in single-family detached housing? If we’re no longer going to treat burglary or theft as an intervening cause that removes liability from the gun-owner, are we then going to hold every victim of car theft responsible for which ever crimes the car thief commits while driving their car?
Bullshit. Someone has to commit a fucking felony to get to guns inside a locked house without permission. The gun owner is a crime victim.
I asked this in another thread, and never got an answer…
Why do gun grabbers insist on punishing anyone besides the shooter for gun related crimes?
Because gun fetishists won’t take responsibility for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.