Think About This, You Anti-gun Idiots

The BBQ Pit
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Ladies, remember that goofy guy on the elevator, or that wierd dude on the bus, on the way home? No you dont, who does…

Now you are at home with your hubby and your two little girls, say 2 and 4. They have their own room finally. You are asleep one night and hear a noise…no big deal, probably the dog, but you wake up hubby, and say “I’m Sceered”.

Hubby grabs his trusty 9 iron and goes to check it out. (you dont own a gun, they hurt people) As you lay waiting, you hear another noise, like a whack, and a moan. Now you are really scared…You call out “hubby, are you ok?”

Now you hear an evil laff at the bottom of the stairs, and a voice say “hubbys dead, and your little girls are next!!” Freakin out yet? Now you go apeshit, looking for a weapon…oh, maybe these knitting needles will work…

Then you hear the voice again…“I have a knife, and I like little girls”…Don’t you wish you wouldn’nt have talked hubby out of buying that gun? “But oh yeah, guns are only for criminals, why would we need a gun”

Maybe he wouldnt be dead at the bottom of the stairs. Maybe you wouldnt be waiting in your bedroom to get raped and murdered, after of course you were made to watch your young daughters raped and murdered.

Wish you had a gun now Momma?

(The preceding was fiction, but taken directly from interviews with various serial killers)

So, you liberal gunbanners, There are enough unenforced laws dealing with school shootings, and so on…

Look at the above scenario, and ask why us “crazy gun freaks” wont give up our guns.

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Powerful stuff, Klaatu. Thanks for posting it.

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WOW! That’s really powerful stuff. And almost as realistic as the letters in Penthouse Forum or the combat in WWF! Here try my response!

Hey Mama! 'fraid of crime? Somebody gonna break in the house and do ya? Why, you need a handgun. You’ll be safe then!

When the funny looking guy from the bus breaks in and pops a cap in hubby with his nine iron, it’ll be right there under your pillow – and loaded for bear. That’ll keep you (and your two daughters, ages 2 and 4) safe, and hap-hap-happy too!

Know what’s funny about kids? They explore the house. They find things. It can be funny, like when they find the wedding pictures or embarrassing, like when the find those other pictures.

But anybody who’s ever had a 2 year old knows this one simple fact about toddlers – they are everywhere, and a lone human adult cannot control them. Lord knows what a determined 10 year old could do…

So, there you are Mama, coming home from work at 4:30, about 30 minutes after the school bus drops the kiddos off. Hey, there’s little Johnny, the next door neighbor kid. Why’s he running out the front door screaming? My goodness! Looks like somebody found my handgun! Golly goshers, my child has splattered her brains all over the drywall!

But, you know what? It’s worth it! I’m safe from the imagined threat of random intruders in my home. And I’m more than willing to sacrifice the life of my child to protect my imagined 2d amendment rights. God Bless the NRA!

end sarcasm I have no specific cites to back this up. But, every study I’ve ever read says that keeping guns in the home is far more dangerous to the family than to anyone else. Did you ever study statistics on violent crimes? A huge preponderance of the agressors are known (if not related) to the victims. Random break-ins and violence in the home are very rare. Gun accidents and crimes of passion by related persons are not.

I have no gun in my home. Quite frankly, I believe it’s far more likely for my wife (or me) to go schizo and shoot up the place than for somebody to attack me in my home.

Klaatu, I think you are full of shit.

Guns promote violence. They do not deter violence. Keeping a gun in my home would make it more likely that a member of my family would be shot, not less.

I take no position on gun control. My decision has nothing to do with the government. Just don’t tell me that me and my family are safe from violence because we have a gun in the house. I think you are full of crap, Charlton.

Plunging like stones from a slingshot on Mars.

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Tell this story to the family of that little 6 year old who was shot in Michigan. See how well it goes over.

I’m all for the right to bear arms. I just think it should be a lot harder to attain a deadly weapon.

“Life is hard…but God is good”

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And too bad she talked him out of installing that phone in the bedroom, so she can’t call 911.

Don’t get me wrong, I have 2 rifles, 3 handguns and 2 shotguns. I love guns, and woe be to the psycho that wants to fuck with my house or family. But the above scenario I think is unrealistic.
Still, you have a very valid point, and tho’ it may not seem like it, I agree with you totally.
People are great for preaching how terrible guns are, until they need one.

The other side of the coin is that some people are gun toting lunatics. These are the people that give us responsible gun toters a bad rap.

“Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.”

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Let me see, in the above situation, it’s a)dark, and b)the intruder has a knife. OK, and a gun is the answer here? What have you been smoking? The woman in question has maybe a shot, in the dark mind you, to hit the guy before he rushes her and the gun becomes useless. Uh. Huh. Thats a real effective method of self defense. Guns, you see, are not defensive weapons. They cannot be used that way. Now, on the other hand, if the woman had, say, a big stick she might stand a bit more of a chance against at attacker with a knife, but other than scaring the guy off a gun ain’t going to do jack shit. (and if you want to scare, might I suggest investing in a cap gun? works just as well…)

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You’ve proven your point, Klaatu. They most assuredly are idiots. Weak minded, dependent, brainwashed sheeple.

Yeah, they can have my gun. BULLETS FIRST!

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Here’s a little statistical fun, courtesy of our friend in the Department of Justice. In the period 1987-1992 (sorry, couldn’t find more recent data) there were 82,500 incidents where a person used a handgun to defend themselves during a crime. Unfortunately during that same period there were 3,598,700 incidents where a person used a handgun during the commission of a crime.

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No.

I may be lots of things, but I am NOT a sheeple. I don’t know how you can even think for one instant that I’m a sheeple. Seriously, now.

There are some people out there who own guns responsibly. I don’t mind that, not at all. But I will NEVER own a gun, I will NEVER shoot a gun, I will NEVER hunt (which goes against my religion), and I will NEVER allow a gun in my home. I am not weak-minded just because I don’t believe in violence. Please don’t put me in some hypothetical situation to convince me that I am wrong. If you want to own your guns and do your target practice or whatever, whoohoo you. But please don’t suggest that those of us who choose not to take part in America’s adorable little infatuation with deadly weapons are idiots.

~Harborina

“Don’t Do It.”

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Well, I have to sleep, but I will be back for the inevitable flames tomorrow, thanks for the responses.

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Kyla:

Thank you. How very liberal of you to allow my constitutional rights.

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My contribution is:

To those talking about the 6 year old in Michigan.

If memory serves me right, the guns in that home were not the child’s parents but an uncle’s or friend’s home. In addition to that, those guns were stolen.

If in fact that is correct, the child in question is dealing with a pretty fucked up home, I know via the media that the father was in jail. AND these guns were obtained illegally.

I agree that the situation was a sad issue, but don’t even consider that legal gun acquistion is a part of this issue. This is a fact of life, you can’t stop illegal gun possesion (sp) without completely banning guns, and that wont even stop people from having guns. That’s a factor in society, anyone who wants a gun will find one.

If you want to poopoo guns and work towards a safer society then get involved in your local NRA organization. They do more than any organization for gun education than any government organization ever will…and if it’s worth anything, why the hell doesn’t the government do anything about enforcing the 2000 gun laws on the books? They don’t, it’s that simple…unfortunately, I don’t believe that in this particular situation that any law would have kept guns from this kid, as sad as it is.

This coming from a non gun owner.

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Me: There are some people out there who own guns responsibly. I don’t mind that, not at all.

CalifBoomer: Thank you. How very liberal of you to allow my constitutional rights.

Oh, stuff it. My point was that it has been implied (by you) that gun-control people want to take away all your guns. I’m clarifying that I do not think they should be taken away. Stop acting like such a martyr.

~Harborina

“Don’t Do It.”

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The coolest thing about this place is that we can differ without rancor. I dig that.
Nu Vo Da Da writes:

Anyone that thinks that a firearm would be ineffective in this situation, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it, is wrong.
The one and only time that there was someone trying to break into/steal my car, all took was the rack of my 12 gauge to scare them away. It was dark. He had a tire iron as a club. I don’t think he even saw me. He bolted like a spooked horse.

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Wrong again. The woman (asumming she, unlike you, has been trained in the proper use of her weapon and the logistics of crime prevention associated with it) could easily get off 3 well placed shots before the guy either took off with a load in his pants or dropped to the floor in a pool of his own blood, dead.

and

This has absolutely no basis in reality, and if this is your opinion, fine, but it is patently false otherwise. Guns (handguns, ans especially compact shotguns) are excellent modes of defense. There is no reason to think that someone can’t defend themself with a gun. Just like any other weapon, you need to know how to use it in order for it to be effective. It doesn’t matter what weapon you have, if you don’t know how to use it, you may as well use harsh language.
Did I mention that the great thing about this place is that we can differ without rancor? Nothing personal, NVDD, I just disagree with you in this case.
And anyone else who is anti-gun for no good reason other than the sort of conjecture you posted.

“Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.”

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Klaatu,

Interesting scenario. Do you think about it often? Are you on a somewhat heightened state of alert?

Perhaps this will help: http://www.algy.com/pdi/

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My wife worries alot because I have a CCW. I take my weapon with me everwhere I go except of course places that are posted no-carry.
A couple of nights ago, the neighbor called, (rather late) and advised that two guys had robbed the pizza place behind us, and that the police were patrolling our neighborhood.
She came straight into the bedroom asking where the Glock was, and if a round was chambered. I must make sure that I inform her of a great little NC law, (if it hasn’t changed,) that if a person is at your front door, banging/kicking/yelling that they are gonna kill you, you can lawfully shoot them through the door. And pertaining to CCW. In NC you have to take a class, go through a background check, and a 90 waiting period.
To buy a gun, you have to purchase a permit.
This is a five day waiting permit. I also try to go to the range once a week and practice.
Having a weapon does you no good if you buy it, shoot it once or twice, and expect to be able to handle it well under stress/darkness/fear.

I pity the fool that brings a knife to a gun fight.

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Well since I live in Canada, I have no ‘right’ to a gun…

Of course the op scenario happens ALL the time in Canada because we arent armed. If we had guns, we would have no crime. We could get those cool metal detectors in the schools too!

Man, I wish we had guns.

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Man breaks into your house. He’s only there to steal things and not harm anyone, but he’s come armed.

You hear the noise he makes, you go downstairs, with your gun in your hand. You see the burglar, you point your gun, the burglar draws his gun. Both people are under the impression that they are now ‘defending’ themselves.

Who shoots first? (in defense, of course - the other guy has a gun pointed at them, after all)

Who is the murderer?

And if guns were not so easily and freely available, how likely is that situation to ever come up?

Bullets are not defense. They are attack.

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Someone explain to me why the husband didn’t take the gun instead of a golf club to go house defendin’? I mean, if they own a gun, fine. But why leave it with the wife while I go off to meet my maker?

If someone was to announce their presence in my home and mention that they were carrying a knife, I can take any room in my house and find at least two things much longer than a knife and pointy enough to put out an eye without much hassle (knitting needles?). It’s also doubtful that I’ll hang out and watch someone rape my daughters without throwing various appliances at his head, since the logistics behind unfastening one’s pants, undressing a pyjama clad girl, holding a knife, and dodging appliances lest you’re knocked unconscious are a bit more than the average person can deal with.

I won’t bother making a pro or anti firearm decision in this thread, but the OP is pretty inane and doesn’t do much to make me want to run out and buy that WalMart brand 12 gauge.

“I guess one person can make a difference, although most of the time they probably shouldn’t.”

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Klaatu, Caliboomer, ARG220, Lexicon, and Techchick68, my message is in I can’t wait to graduate. Check it out! I like your comments, all of you seem like people who can think.
Klaatu, that was a great message!