I may have contributed to someone getting fired.

So a new girl started working at my place a couple of months ago. We don’t work in the same department but see each other in the smoking area. She is friendly and chatty, and bums cigarettes from me a fair amount.

Sometimes I pass through her department on my way out and if she sees me, she will come with me. I was ‘OK’ with this- it’s not my place to say when other folks go out to smoke- but it is a little annoying because I prefer to just pop out and back in without anyone else noticing me gone and having a buddy kinda cramps my style a little bit.

But in the last few weeks, this lady turned positively annoying. She would come to my department to bum a smoke and also ask for a ride home. I asked how she usually got to work and she said she rode the bus. On the first ride home, I noted she already had a pack of cigarettes and thought ‘well, maybe she just came and asked for the smoke as an intro to asking for the ride, since that’s all we have in common.’ On the ride home, she also hit me up for a small ‘loan.’ I just gave her 20 bucks and told her to keep it. That may seem like a mistake, but I generally assume loaned money won’t come back and don’t want to stress over a small amount.

But then this scene kept repeating itself. I gave her smokes and rides here and there, but no more ‘loans’ with the exception of one dollar that she said she needed to ride the bus the next morning.

A couple of weeks ago when I was out smoking a different employee there said he had to come out at this particular time to avoid the new employee who has been hitting up coworkers in their department for smokes, rides and loans, and that this new employee has already gotten in trouble for annoying coworkers with her frequent requests. I mentioned that I, too, had been providing this stuff. This guy said ‘Well, I guess she’s just spreading out to other departments since she was told to knock it off in ours. She needs something every week- rent, utilities, cigarettes.’

When I went back to my department and mentioned this at lunch, it turns out that this new girl has been getting these favors from a couple of folks in our department too. I was kinda surprised about it, so we (three of us who had provided stuff) mentioned it to our boss when she came in to the lunch room. It was mentioned more as an oddity than a complaint, I felt.

Now, I’ve been on vacation for over a week now (with another week to go!) and I got a call form the borrowing lady. All employee numbers are in a file so you can look up any number you might need since our two departments often share employees. She asked me if I complained about her to my boss. I lied and said ‘no.’

She told me that she had gotten in trouble and wanted to know if I had anything to do with it and said that she could be fired. She told me she was going to pay me back the money she borrowed and not ask for rides anymore (no mention of the cigarettes- LOL), and asked me to not tell anyone she called me. I did tell a coworker (who is also my best friend out of work) who advised me to stay away from this borrower lady as she has been marked for firing, an opinion based on just years of working at this place.

But, after thinking it over for a day, I called my boss and let him know the borrower lady had called me at home. I dunno- I was annoyed that she called me at home, I was annoyed with myself for lying to her about telling my boss about the whole thing, and I guess I’m annoyed that she’s imposing on folks at work and making things weird and uncomfortable.

But yesterday, I got a conference call from HR. The two people ion the call asked me if and when she called me (they asked me to check for phone for date and time) and what we talked about. I told the truth (even that I lied about telling my boss). They said it sounded like she was fishing around trying to find out who had complained about her, that they had counseled her but had been careful to not use any names, that there had been other complaints, but that during her counseling she had said “It must have been ca3799.” They also said the had told her specifically to keep her counseling session private and to not make contact with anyone about it.

So it appears my reporting the phone call may result in this lady losing her job.

I do feel bad about this.

But I also don’t feel all that responsible. Her problems aren’t my problem. I presume there is more to her behavior that has drawn attention of management than excessive borrowing and I’m sure I’m not the only person who has complained. I mean, who gets canned for simply annoying people with neediness?

But, how big an asshole have I been? I could have “just said no” to any of her requests.

Nah, you haven’t done anything wrong. You were nice to give her 20 bucks and some rides, and she is clearly just one of those people looking to take advantage of everyone. It’s guaranteed to come back around and bite her in the ass sooner or later.

Your only moral failure here is continuing to smoke cigarettes. :slight_smile:

You did nothing to get her fired - she did it all herself. This woman was taking advantage of co-workers, and taking advantage of your employer. A free-rider like this is going to get herself fired eventually, over one thing or another.

Look at it this way, if you didn’t say something, someone else would have and the exact same situation would have played out a week later. It’s probably happened at her last 10 jobs and it’ll happen at her next 10.

This exactly.

This, exactly. (And what **Cat Whisperer **said.)

And, I agree with friedo: your only failure is continuing to smoke. (Sorry, couldn’t resist. :D)

Seriously? On the asshole scale of 1 to 10, you’re less than zero.

Smoking is not your only moral failure. There’s also the fact that you’ve allowed this issue to waste precious vacation time.

Concur with most of the above - she did it to herself. Some people can’t tell the difference between a workplace, a nightclub and a neighborhood.

'Minds me of the temp one company hired to handle the front desk. She was one of those nice-looking 35-ish types always on the prowl. Her third day was a casual Friday… and she showed up in what was basically a denim teddy, with a huge heart-shaped cutout on the back filled with lace fabric and revealing a total lack of any strappage.

The office manager, a VERY nice-looking 30-ish and my then-current squeeze, sent her home to change. We laughed for months about her setting out her little candy jar and cleavage to see what she could catch among the mostly male staff.

Ugh. This happened to me several years ago. Crazy Coworker goes crazy on me. I tell boss. The boss talks to Crazy Coworker and tells him not to talk to me anymore, but does not tell me this. Crazy Coworker emails me. I casually mention the email to the boss while complaining about something else. Coworker gets fired not over the “something else”, but over the damn email.

I felt extremely guilty because relative to everything else that had happened, the email was nothing. But now that time has passed, I realized I didn’t do anything wrong. Crazy Coworker brought it all on himself.

You didn’t do anything wrong either.

Yeah, anyone that sends up that many flags to TPTB needs to be fired. Especially singling you out for a call (what the bloody hell??) after specifically being told not to. This is definitely a person who can’t be trusted in a work environment, else she wouldn’t have been trying to grift on everyone in the first place. I say you as asshole = -10, and her as detrimental to all things work related if she stays on there = 100.

So it’s okay to be boinking the boss but fraternizing among the rank and file staff is strictly against office policy. :smiley:

OP: Your conscience should be clear, but if I were you, I’d park somewhere different and out of sight for a while.

She was staff manager and I was head of creative; everyone knew but was polite about it and we kept things out of the office.

Well, except when she’d deliver her undies in an interoffice envelope to let me know her plans for lunch. :smiley:

Look at it this way, you were not the only one getting hit up for cigarettes, rides and loans. Just as you’re not the only one annoyed by it, or to finally say something to some one.

Your actions alone did not cause this repercussion for her, so you can relax, I think, with the guilt.

She was specifically told NOT to approach anyone, and did so anyway!
Totally on her, don’t give it another thought.

Look at it this way- you may have done her a big favor. Obviously, what she was doing (work-wise) wasn’t working for her, since she had to keep “borrowing” things from others. Now she has the opportunity to stop doing that and do something else, which, while the transition may be scary and tough for her, could, in the end, be better for her and help her be more successful.

Wow- I feel better.

I was feeling guilty- mostly about the lie, but that phone call at home caught me off guard, and also some about not helping out someone in need. But she does seem to have perpetual need and I don’t really know her nor do I have any relationship, obligation or duty to her. Certainly, my employer would not fire someone just for bugging folks. There is probably more to her story and I’m just aware of my part. The whole thing seems gamey and weird.

Plus, I used my vacation to have surgery and now I’m stuck at home, bored and trying to not scratch my stitches. I should go find something else to do.

freido Johnson is right. It might not have been your job to decide to fire this woman, but whomsoever’s job it was needed to get it done pronto. The conduct towards you was way out of line, and that she was doing it to a bunch of other people too would have damaged the company had it continued.

Assholes are useful things, that is why God distributed at least one to all of us. Shit has got to get done. Signed – The Second Stone – known idiot and asshole and proud of it.

My boss always said, “Nobody ever gets someone else fired, whoever gets fired brings it on themself.” and I think this is almost always true. In our workplace, it has pretty easy to spot the kind of liar that might try to press a false accusation and rob them of traction, I suppose in other work environments it might be more difficult.

I did sort of get a guy fired once, but I do not feel bad about it. I commented to the manager that this guy had showed me a small bong he brought with him. It would have been OK, but the guy lied about having the bong, and the boss knew who to believe (I had no particular reason to make such a thing up, and it was more of an idle comment or a fishing-for-advice than a snitching).

Hey, folks, here’s a story 'bout Minnie the Moocher.
She was a low-down hoochie-coocher.

But Minnie had a heart as big as a whale.