Might as well bay at the moon.
The OP mentions “fair-minded GOP voters”. If this species is not actually extinct (can’t recall the last time I saw one in the wild) it is certainly endangered. Republican voters don’t give a flying fuck about fair elections- ALL they care about is the red team winning. If it means distributing the voting machines such that inner city voters have to wait 10 hours to vote, that’s fine with them. If it means disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of voters while hiding behind the figment of voter fraud, that’s fine with them. They don’t care if they have do cheat to win.
Nor do they care if their candidate lies. Tell them Obama eliminated the work requirements for welfare, they eat it right up. Tell them Obama took $748 billion from Medicare, they swallow it whole. Tell them that Obama told the Italians to move Jeep production to China, they fake outrage with more conviction than their wives fake their orgasams.
Think they’re going to demand tax returns? No, documentation is a one-way street. It only applies to Democrats, and even when provided it isn’t satisfactory.
Think they care that Romney is secretive about their plans? Whatever for? All they need to know is that Romney isn’t Obama. Also that he is white.
Think they care that he professes a religion that they find abhorrent? Not when they’re convinced that Obama professes one that they find even worse.
You can’t make the mistake of trying to find reasons for Republicans to behave as they do- you just can’t. They are what they are, and they neither need nor have any coherent reasons.
Actually there’s evidence Romney’s Mormon faith is holding down evangelical enthusiasm for him, at least a little bit.
Of course, there are still millions of registered Republicans who believe Obama is a Muslim and/or was born in Kenya. One wonders if this election wouldn’t be an absolute flattening if those preposterous beliefs weren’t so popular. Romney’s closeness is hurt a bit by his being a Mormon, but the fact the election isn’t going to be a Democratic landslide is largely attributable to Obama’s being black (and therefore a Muslim and Kenyan.)
So they’re both working against the evangelicals, really, it’s just Obama’s working against more.
According toe CBS, as of this July, **30 percent of conservatives said Obama was a Muslim. **Rather incredibly, a full 40 percent of the American people didn’t know Romney was a Mormon. Astounding.
I agree that it’s a good thing, but I was looking forward to the biter getting bit for once, and these bigots coming out in force to teach that weirdo cultie a thang or three 'bout the way we do thangs in thisere Yoo-nited States of Murka.
I think Romney did choose well in running against a Negro, though. If he’d been up against a Methodist, or Presbyterian, or something, I wonder if it would mattered more.
Only vaguely apropos of the dram discussion, the National Constitution Center has an exhibit on Prohibition right now. Pretty cool stuff. Recommended if anyone happens to be in the Philly area through April.
There was also, ironically, a boy scout career day there, and the DEA officer booth was right outside the exhibit. I’m not sure they appreciated the irony.
Yeah, I find it disappointing that these kinds of threads are so lacking in honest reflection on what Obama could have done better.
As this article goes into, there are plenty of things that Obama did or didn’t do that probably explain why this is such a close race and the enthusiasm for O has waned:
Nah. None of that could possibly have anything to do with it, right?
I forget the exaxt %age, but isn’t it accepted that 40% of the electorate goes to D, 40% to R, and the rest are ‘independent’? If those figures aren’t accurate, they’re close.
Given that, the “R”-40 will vote that way regardless. Doesn’t matter if Romney is running against a, ahem “negro” (using ptrr’s wording), a woman, a Muslim, or a Lutheran. Doesn’t matter if he’s running against a lily-white evangelical “D” (hypothetical, people).
So, excoriating them because it appears that they’re not voting for Obama because he’s a black Muslim is probably not very honest.
Honestly, BobLibDem, I thought that the hate was supposed to be the purview of the right. Looks like you’re catching up.
I thought it was over when the 47% video came out, I thought even the cognitive dissonance fog must lift enough for Republican voters to realize Romney was talking shit about them.
90%+ of liberals support Obama, who by all accounts are turning out as they did in 2008. If you think squeezing out the final 5-10% would make a difference, you’re just empirically incorrect.
Obama is winning moderates 60/40, and losing Conservative 20/80. So the room for growth is among moderates, not the people who believe that Obama should have politically interfered with justice department prosecutions.
Anybody with a sense of how the world works knew that whomever won the last election, would have a rough presidency. Obama made a lot of progress but he didn’t turn water into wine and he didn’t walk on water, so much of the US public is willing to vote for a flim-flam man like Romney.
Romney’s 47% secret speech would have killed pretty much anybody in a normal economy.
Also business owners, CEOs, co. presidents are all trying to scare the common man into voting for Romney. Instead of taking a hit (making just big money instead of big, big money) they are threatening people with their jobs and places of employment. These people are genuinely awful.
Except that this thread is about people supporting Romney. None of the things in that manifesto you have now posted twice are a deterrent for most Romney supporters… Unless you feel that self-described Liberals are supporting Romney. Which is silly. You can make a case that they are simply not voting or voting for Jill Stein but that’s not a case to be made in this thread, now is it?
It did make a dent but them Obama fucked up the first debate. Which is a shame because that happened right when there were rumblings that the money machine was going to start spending it on down-ticket races and initiatives.
Although maybe it was a blessing in disguise: If Obama wins anyway, a lot of money that could have swayed other elections instead got “wasted” in the losing Romney effort.
Does it ever occur to Ds here that maybe the country actually is populated by a majority of people who agree with the R party? I agree that that is a repulsive idea, but it seems pretty obvious. This country **re-**elected GWB. Any possible issue breaks down at least 50/50. Face it, we are outnumbered by dumbshits. Virtually nothing will surprise you after that is understood. Disappointed, well yeah that’s still there. Obama’s first victory was the real surprise to me. A second will be a well-received shock.
So much effort around here goes into thinking around the fact that half the people disagree with you… but it just can’t be possible! It must be manipulation, or misunderstanding, or maliciousness, or what-have-you (ETA: or Racism of course!). Anything but honest to goodness difference of opinion, in huge numbers.
He’s a Muslim who sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years. And his father was an atheist, a Muslim, and a Communist. “Was he an atheist or a Muslim?” “ALL THREE!”
Except that that entire analysis is filled with misinformation, so anyone who would use any of the reasoning presented there would be making their decision based on falsehoods. That first list of “failures”? “And this was done explicitly through Obama’s policies.”
Sorry, but bullshit.
“Obama came into office with a massive mandate, overwhelming control of Congress …”
Bullshit. Obama came into office with a mandate, but only had control of Congress for a total of 72 days. And with over 700 filibusters in the Senate, we went from a system that merely required 51 votes to pass legislation, to suddenly needing 60, which is not how the Senate is supposed to work. To ignore that and lay the blame at Obama’s feet is utterly disingenuous.