I narced on a nine year old.

On Monday, I was observing in a fourth-grade classroom as part of my teacher education program; I’ll be doing my student teaching there in spring. It was my first day.

The teacher was working with a reading group while a second group did seat-work, and one kid (I’ll call him Emmett) was going crazy, shouting across the room, looking up dirty words in the dictionary loudly, and generally being a pest. After calling him down several times, finally the teacher got up and called his home to find out what was going on with him.

Turns out that the kid is on medication for some sort of impulse-control disorder, and his folks had run out of meds several days earlier. The teacher asked the parent to rush the medication over to the school as soon as she could get some. Meanwhile, I offered to sit with Emmett and help him one-on-one with his work so he could focus on it.

This worked beautifully. He took a strong shine to me, wanted me to sit with him at lunch, introduced me to his friends, the whole deal. He even showed me in his desk where he had several text-messaging toys (they looked sort of like PSPs) which, he informed me, he’d bought from the school’s book fair.

Only, you see, about half an hour earlier I’d heard a kid ask the teacher, “If someone steals from the book fair, will they get caught?” The teacher told them that yes, last year someone had stolen and had gotten suspended for it; the kid gasped with that look of gleeful shock that kids get, and started to say something before the teacher told him she didn’t want to hear it.

2+2=

So during recess I told the teacher what I’d seen in Emmett’s desk, told her I wasn’t sure if it meant anything, but that it raised some flags with me. She investigated, and I just found out that, sure enough, Emmett had stolen them, and is being suspended, and may have charges pressed against him.

And the thing is, it took me more than an hour to decide to tell the teacher what I’d seen. I’d seen Emmett snarl at a girl for tattling, and he so clearly thought of me as his new friend, and I’d been able to get him to do some work that he otherwise would never have gotten done, and was I really supposed to rat him out?

Of course I was. I’m an adult, and there’s no way it would have done Emmett any good to have let him get away with theft. He needs to learn, while the consequences are still temporary, that this is a very, very bad idea, and that he needs to learn to control his impulses even if it’s harder for him than for the rest of us.

But I still felt like a treacherous dirty snitch.

I can’t wait to be a teacher!

Daniel

Ah, stealing from the bookfair. This is just about an intermediate level pastime at my school. Every year, twice a year the bookfair comes to town, and do they sell books? Well, maybe a few, but accompanied by all those books are endless trays of stupid crap. Feather topped pens, pens that light up, glowing bookmarks, tiny calculators, and the list of useless plastic and fuzz goes on. I despise this practice of filling the bookfair with crap.
As I said, every bookfair has a theft problem at my school, and every time the kid gets suspended. Funny thing is, it’s always some of the glurgy crap that gets stolen. Nobody has ever stolen a book. Ever. They could solve a lot of headache and shit if they’d just sell books at the stupid bookfair.

Don’t even get me started on the PTA “Christmas Store” or the yearly “CherryDale” fundraiser.
Of course Mommy wants you to spend that five bucks on a slap bracelet and giant pencil, and we love chocolate made of parafin and artificial flavoring. :rolleyes:

Now… Get off my lawn!

:slight_smile: This is almost word for word what my co-op teacher told me. I think there are a lot of people who want book fairs to go back to selling, y’know, books. My impression, though, is that it’s the glurgy crap that makes the serious dough, even if it sometimes gets stolen. The problem seems to me to be the intense temptation it creates for kids to steal.

And then of course there’s the problem of selling easily-hidden text-messaging toys to kids who will then return to the classroom. Could they possibly design something more distracting?

Daniel

Left Look at it this way.
Maybe, just maybe your actions will nip his urge to steal in bud. It happened to me. I grabbed a piece of candy at the supermarket at age 5 or 6. My mother caught me. I was so ashamed that I have never shoplifted since.

If that doesn’t work just sing “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time” :smiley:

Phbbbts!!

Impulse control disorder pills??

Screw that! THIS Doctor prescribes one major ass whup’n.

yes, I know, go ahead and flame me…

You did the right thing, and the suspension makes sense, but charges pressed? Against a fourth grader? Sheesh.

There is no point in flaming those who are willfully ignorant; they would not understand.

Perhaps this is what will make a difference for him, though. He may feel that he let down a friend, which is a sight different from disappointing the regular teacher, who he probably thinks of as someone who just yells at him all the time.

I hope so. I’m not sure whether I’ll tell him that I was the one who turned him in; it may be that by Monday (when I’ll next be in the class), he will have forgotten. If it comes up, I’ll probably explain that it’s my job, and that, like Rick said, I did it to help nip his urge to steal in the bud.

The pressing charges thing does seem a bit much. I suspect that whoever’s suggesting this is wanting to make an example of him, especially if they’re having trouble with other kids stealing. There’s also the problem that, due to some aspect of how the case was handled, apparently a juvie court judge would throw it out; I think that would teach exactly the wrong lesson (“I can get out of this!”) Better not to involve the courts, and just give him some serious consequences.

SHAKES, I can actually see where you’re coming from in some ways. If the kid is having trouble controlling his impulses, a vividly painful and humiliating experience may end up being a powerful tool in his impulse-control arsenal. I don’t know that I’d advocate that, but I can see the idea.

Daniel

Nor is there any point in being a willfull ass when it’s not called for.

According to the OP, the child’s behaviour had suddenly got worse around the time his folks had run out of the medication. So it seems we’re dealing with a kid who was on effective medication and now isn’t. In those circumstances it seems very obvious that violence is uncalled for.

Is it possible that Dr. SHAKES was prescribing a major ass whooping to the parents who ran out of meds SEVERAL DAYS EARLIER yet had not filled them yet?

Behaviorial meds with kids are a tricky business, and often it takes a long time to get the dosages correct, with several days in between each adjustment taken to await changes. Running out means not just the days missed, but more days adjustment, then possibly a whole new adjusment needed because the parents were too damn busy to pick up the meds. I’m a parent, I know shit gets crazy sometimes, but for something that important, MAKE the time.

Violence in anger is of course uncalled for. But the thing is, that kid is going to run out of medication again sometime, and he’s going to be held responsible for his actions when his medication runs out next time, too. If a memory of painful punishment can help him rein in his impulses next time, I’m not certain that it’d be uncalled for. I don’t know.

Daniel

Well, last I checked. Ass whup’ns don’t have long lasting, detrimental side effects on a kids body. Feeding a kid drugs at the drop of a hat seems a lot more cruel than an occasional swat on the rump to me.
When I read your post I can’t help but to think “Poor little 9yo needs his fix.” Way too young to be an addict IMO…

I would just like to point out that I stole books from the book fair. They never even noticed.

No, I am concerned about the drugging of children. From my lay understanding of the issue, it seems like “speed” for children works for some, but that it’s alarmingly over-prescribed. Children who are merely occasionally unruly are being zombified.

But here, on the face of it, is a child either being successfully treated or withdrawing from a drug. Whilst a “major ass whupping” might not do long term physical damage, being subjected to such violence may well do mental harm. I am not all convinced of the reinforcement effects of beatings.

I agree with NurseCarmen that the parents are suspect here. If you’re going to give your child mind-altering drugs you should take it bloody seriously.

Everyone laughs at the sarcasm of “The beatings will continue until orale improves.” Why would some people think it’ll work on children?

Sailboat

makes a vain attempt to put train back on tracks

Criminal charges for a nine-year-old? A twelve-year-old or a thirteen-year-old, I could see them possibly doing some community work under supervision. That’s a good lesson.

But for a nine-year-old? Come on, the suspension’s enough.

Wow. Losing the “m” really changes the whole meaning of that sentence, doesn’t it?

Oh, and it makes it so, so true. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: