I need help with croup! Please hurry!

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My baby has croup and it’s very bad. He has a fever of 101-102, horrible stridor, loud, barking cough. We went to the dr. today for his routine 15 month check-up (it’s a coincidence that he’s also sick) and she went ahead and gave him his routine shots. Nothing seems to be helping. I have a humidifier set up in his room (door shut to keep in the humidity) with eucalyptus and lavender oils in the water. Two questions: Is there anything else I should be doing? and When should I be really freaked out? Websites say the stridor is a real cause for concern and I should go to the ER if I am “worried.” If that were the case, I’d be there all the freakin’ time!

OK. So, I need Doper help. Is this as serious as the Donette really sounds? Do kids die from this? What do I look for before I take him to the ER? HELP! aaaaaccckkkk!!!

::trying to remember to breath in and out, myself::

This might help…

http://familydoctor.org/handouts/220.html

My mom took me into the bathroom when I had croup and turned on the hothot water, thus steaming up the bathroom. I’d sit in there with her inhaling the steamy air until I stopped coughing.

Failing that, though, if you really are extremely worried, go with your gut and go to the ER. Worst thing that can happen is that the doc fixes it in three seconds and you feel silly, but relieved.

If you are concerned, you should seek help at the emergency.

I see lots of croup. In the emergency, I can give nebulized Ventolin and Pulmicort to open up the airways, give oral dexamethasone or (In very bad cases) racemic epinephrine. All of these are helpful for continuous coughing.

If the coughing isn’t so bad (and the 101-102 fever doesn’t sound too bad to me), humidity often does the trick. A cough syrup can help, but I’d seek a doctor’s advice before giving it to children under 2, such as your 15 monther munchkin.

You should be worried if the child can’t breathe or is working very hard to breathe (using his chest muscles or flaring the nose), is breathing very fast (40 resps/minute), turns blue or drools a great deal. Croup tends to be worse if the child is agitated, so keep things calm.

He does seem to be working very hard (but not fast) and his chest does heave. He’s not turning blue but is drooling. Right now, he seems to be resting OK.

Thanks, Dr. Paprika, reeder, and Angel of the Lord. I will keep you posted.

Hot shower. I also would pour hot water on my daughter’s head and that seemed to help (not too hot, of course, but I’m sure you understand what I’m saying).

Sure, kids can die from the croup, but you’ve really gotta work at it. This too shall pass, hon. Scary as all hell, I know, but he’ll be ok. Go with your gut, like the other posters have mentioned. If you get scared or think it’s getting worse, go to the ER. Screw what everyone else thinks!

What are the odds that some nasty germ or virus has taken advantage of your baby’s croup stress? If this croup doesn’t seem like the others, perhaps another visit to the doc is in order.

He’s never had croup before. He’s only ever been sick one other time. Yes, I know how lucky we’ve been.

::knocks on wood::

But that scenario is exactly what I worry about. Pneumonia? RSV? My mind is awash with frightful possibilities.

This morning he is still asleep but breathing pretty hard. We’ll see how he is when he wakes up.

My son had croup twice as a wee one. It is very scary! The shower thing always seemed to work,but the bit about going for a drive seemed to as well. One night he was very bad, I got to the really panicy stage and bundled him into the car to go to the ER. Within 5 minutes of driving he was much better.

Good Luck…that croup cough is the scariest sound to hear from your child.

Yes, we went to the ER 2 nights ago. When we left, his temp was 102 and he sounded like he was drawing his last breaths. By the time we got there, he was COMPLETELY fine! But you know, I didn’t associate it with the drive until you mentioned it!

Yeah I think maybe it’s the cooler air that does the trick. Hope he’s ok now :slight_smile:

In addition to what Dr_Paprika mentioned, grunting to exhale is another bad sign of straining to breathe and is an immediate indicator that you should go to the ER.

When Whatsit Jr. was one month old, he came down with RSV that led to an opportunistic bacterial pneumonia (antibiotic-resistant bacteria, at that). When we took him to the ER, he was grunting when exhaling, hadn’t eaten in six hours, and his breathing rate was extremely elevated. I want to say it was 50 breaths per minute but I can’t quite remember anymore. The nurse we talked to on the after-hours care hotline told us that if we didn’t have a cell phone, we should just call 911 for an ambulance, but we did have a cell, so we just drove him straight to Children’s Hospital.

Anyway, my point is, if it looks like he’s straining to breathe at all, I’d take the safe route and have him checked out at the ER. If we hadn’t taken Whatsit Jr. in when we did, he may well have stopped breathing while still at home that night, and I shudder to think what might have happened. (That night at Children’s, he wound up on a ventilator to help him breathe.)

Our children’s hospital gave me a list of things to watch for with croup. I don’t remember the whole list, but the main points I remember were:

  1. cold is better than warm. So, fog up the bathroom by running a COLD shower for a longer time, rather than running a hot shower. I’ve found this does make a difference, though depending on the relative humidity at the time, I’ve sometimes alternated between hot and cold to get more moisture. Also good is the drive in the car with windows open, or just taking them outside in the middle of the night (if it is cold out - no help if the coolest spot is in the A/C!).

  2. wet is better than dry. The wetter the better. We used a cool mist humidifier on high enough to leave puddles of condensation on the floor. An evaporative humidifier won’t get things quite as wet, the electronic kind seems to push the humidity more (though they are harder to keep clean). Warm mist isn’t recommended. We’ve also let the A/C and humidifier fight it out, to get as cold and wet in combination as we can. More blankets needed, and everything needs to get dried/aired out to keep it from molding, but for three days, it is worth it.

  3. Stridor is not in itself the way you identify how bad it is. Stomach cave-in on breathing (how severe), and the child’s behavior (how far from normal) are the main determinants of ‘enough to go to the ER’. Listless behavior plus caving stomach = ER visit, where they may give you meds you can take home.

I don’t remember if there was any commentary on the ‘breathe out vs. breathe in’ thing, but I’d go with MsWhatsit’s info on that.

Something that I’ve observed myself, not sure whether it is just coincidence (microscopic data pool, here) is that laughing while in the wet cold seems to reduce the symptoms faster. Not sure if laughing is just more forceful than breathing, so gets the cold/wet where it needs to go, or if it releases endorphins that help, or what, but sitting in the croup tent, Gabe improved fastest once I started being silly and making him laugh.

Gabe has spasmodic croup. That is, he got croup once, and while the vast majority of kids never get it again, now whenever he gets any kind of esophageal irritation, he goes croupy. Dust, allergens, virus, post-nasal drip, anything, and only in the last year (5) has he been big enough for the reaction to not make for utter misery. He was hospitalized once at 18 months old (overnight) with epinephrine treatments, despite having a blood ox level of 98%. (the other measures, like the anti-inflammatories, had zero impact, but the epinephrine did at least help.) He was acting like normal (getting into the speculum tray in the ER), and his stomach was barely caving at all, he just sounded awful. But they still kept him overnight.

Bad hospital ER - we’ve since learned to go straight to the Children’s Hospital. First they diagnosed pneumonia (it took them two teams and 30 minutes to get the IV into him for what turned out to be unnecessary antibiotics), and were still wondering about asthma when the head of pediatrics finally diagnosed croup. I find out later that the children’s hospital won’t keep you overnight on a 98% blood oxygen level (after taking him to their ER the next time and getting sent home).

Scary as all get out, though. Since then, we’ve treated with Advil (takes down the fever, plus somewhat anti-inflammatory), cold wet air, and keeping him more vertical (seems to help with the breathing comfort) when he slept. Which meant me sleeping on a chair with him sleeping sitting up leaned back against me. But it helped.

I’ve long since lost count of the number of three-day stints we’ve had, doing croup-watch. It is usually worst on the second day for Gabe, and lasts three days in the severe form (some tail-end barking, but not severe). And it is worst around 3 AM, just when you are too bleary to make great decisions. Not sure if that is the usual pattern, but it held true for Gabe’s brother Brendan, who got croup last fall.

Hang in there! Your instincts provide valuable info. Combine your child’s behavior with your instincts, and you usually have a sound diagnostic tool, at least for a yes/no call on an ER visit.

Also, if breathing is in serious crisis, our Infant/Child CPR class suggested calling 911 rather than transporting yourself - remember that they can usually get to you faster than you can get to the ER, and they can start treatment when they arrive at your house, which gives you a jump on the treatment.

Our son had it all time time…

Lots of humidity, cough syrup (talk to your ped about dosage), a trip outside in the middle of the night for some cold air (this was fun in the Minnesota winter).

And a piece of advice not mentioned - if your son is coughing through the night, you aren’t getting any sleep. Call your mom or a friend. Have them take him for the day and take a long nap.

Kids usually don’t die from croup. But you have to distinguish croup from “epiglottitis”, which is very dangerous, and thankfully, fairly rare since the Hib vaccine. No one who has seen this would doubt vaccination saves lives. A lot of lives.

He’s doing a lot better. Thanks everyone!

::removes psychotic mother hat::

What’s psychotic about being concerned for your child! Glad to hear all is well.

Heck, I’m 27 and my mom still puts on the “psychotic mother hat” when the situation calls for it. Nobody better mess with her kids. Grrrrrrrrr…:smiley:

I’m glad he’s doing better. Funny, I always thought croup was something out of old children’s books. I hadn’t realized it was still around. You learn something new every day!

Fighting ignorance. That’s what it’s all about. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, I assumed it was one of those things that people, for whatever reason, just don’t get anymore. Silly ignorant me.