I think I just had an epiphany. Transphobes are the anti-vaxxers of mental health. “Don’t believe those woke radicals at the NIH and AMA – these websites have the real truth THEY don’t want you to know!”
You might be on to something there.
Despite all of your claimed research, you have no idea what you’re talking about. And now you’ve gone down the rabbit hole into mindless and moronic hatred.
How the fuck have you been on this board for twenty years but still can’t see that?
Did you know, by the way, that a Canadian man once changed his legal sex simply to get cheaper car insurance?. He pretty much admitted he was taking the piss so they may have made him take it back but - makes you wonder why so many places are pushing for gender self-id
Oh noes!
Nobody here is saying that sex isn’t real. Nobody is “pretending” that transgender people are physiologically identical to transgender ones.
And nobody here on the pro-trans rights side is denying or objecting to gender nonconformity either. Both cisgender and transgender people are entitled to present as conventionally “masculine” or “feminine” as they choose. It does not invalidate their right to their claimed gender identity, no matter what they look like or what genitalia they have.
To accept people as the gender they identify as is not “pretending” anything about what we consider their biological birth sex or genitalia to be. To use the pronoun “she” about a person in no way implies the statement “I believe that this person was born with a vagina”.
I mean, I get that if you acknowledged that trans rights isn’t about “pretending” anything, then you’d have to give up your insincere concern trolling about “helping” people who identify as trans. But that would actually be a net positive.
Anyway, in case for some unforeseeable reason we don’t see you around here much in the near future, a very happy Mothers’ And Adoptive Mothers’ Day to you and all your cohort over on mumsnet.
Well, it was a stupid guess and you were wrong. I was unfamiliar with the law you were referring to but I’ve read up about it in the meantime and I think it’s obscene. Furthermore, there’s no way to honestly infer support for that law from my position in either this thread or the previous one.
For the avoidance of doubt, my position is this:
• Transwomen athletes who’ve completed male puberty are very likely to have innate physical advantages over cisgender women against whom they compete. I believe those advantages are unfair. While the IOC has made recommendations for trans athletes to level the playing field, including taking hormone treatments to reduce their T-Levels to <10 nmol/l, there’s convincing evidence that those recommendations don’t go far enough. At the very least, the science is not settled. It’s perfectly possible to have a good faith conversion about this, as the bone of contention isn’t whether all transwomen should be barred from competing against cisgender women, but whether a specific subset of transwomen have done enough to nullify the physical advantages conferred on them by male puberty.
Well, no, Walter, that’s what YOU want the bone of contention to be. This series of threads is about Aspidistra, whose OP clearly took the position that the entire concept of transgenderism is nonsense and people’s claims to be trans should be openly mocked and scorned, and who has since quadrupled down on that position.
When you come into a thread like that and make comments that appear to be on one “side” of the issue without clearly dissociating yourself from the “obscene” beliefs of those primarily representing that side, people are not going to be inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Did it take him only 15 minutes with GAYCO?
So now all of a sudden it’s about gender conformity after all, huh? A cisgender person is fully entitled to be as gender-nonconforming or “opposite-sex-appearing” as they choose, but if a transgender person isn’t “changing their body” to conform to the norms of their identified gender, then they must be some kind of fake?
Sheesh. You can’t even manage to be consistent about the issues you’re concern trolling on.
Did you know that throughout human history some unscrupulous individuals have pretended to some sort of official status that does not reflect how they genuinely see themselves, simply for their own dishonest advantage?
JFC. By your “reasoning”, the fact that some scammers falsely claim to be gay in order to seem less threatening to their victims means that anybody who claims to be gay must be lying.
Clearly you didn’t even read your own fucking source, you brainless bigot.
David, who lives in Alberta, says he identifies as a male. But his government-issued identification tells a different story.
This is a person who committed fraud. Not a trans woman. It’s pretty clear to everyone not blinded by hatred.
I find it hard to believe that you’re still here, but it’s the truth.
The trick is in realizing that another person’s gender ain’t any of your business. You don’t actually need to know anyone’s gender to interact with them respectfully.
People much more knowledgeable than I am have already addressed the scientific aspects of this, so I would just like to simplify things with a question: Who the fuck cares what pronouns a person wants to use? If a Grizzly Adams looking person wants to be called she/her? Okay. If a Marilyn Monroe looking person wants to be called he/him? Okay. Hell, if a boy wants to be called Sue, I’ll make a mental note of it and move on with my life. There is nothing toxic about any of this. These decisions do not hurt anyone else in any way. The ruckus is not being caused by transpeople and they are not the ones hurting others. It is the small-minded bigots that are causing the ruckus and hurting the transpeople. Maybe instead of calling transgender treatment child abuse, we should call bigotry child abuse.
Happy Cake Day to you too. Jeez, it’s been 21 years. My account is old enough to drink in the US!
One of the reasons why I try avoid discussions of trans athletes is this. it is, and probably will always be, pretty rare. And as we get better at letting people be who they want to be (via hormone blockers and the like), it will get rarer.
It’s a hard conversation to have for a number of reasons. The biggest is that it’s such a hot button issue for the bigots, that pretty much every conversation gets awful real fast.
Another reason is that there is no real good answer. It boils down to how fair it is for a trans woman who went through male puberty to compete against cis women. I can totally see how cis women, who have worked hard to get to a high level of competition would be pretty pissed to have a trans woman with the advantage of having gone through male puberty come in and blow everyone away. It sure would look unfair from her point of view. But banning trans women from competing is pretty fucking unfair too.
Me, I’m for letting trans women compete. It’s rare enough that it’s a pretty minor issue, especially considering what trans people already have to deal with.
Yep. As much as transgender people are a small fraction of the population, the fraction of ciswomen who have had to go up against a transwoman is also likely to be very small. And yet, somehow it’s this Big Deal that’s All Over the News, but Totally Not Because Someone Wants to Push a Transphobic Agenda. 
I feel like I hear more about the odd ciswoman competing against a transwoman more often than I do about, say, transphobic acts of violence against trans people.
Just to add on to this, people who are trans and want to undergo treatments and such might not be able to beacuse their body doesn’t “let” them. They have bad reactions to the drugs and such so that they can’t physically transition how they like and are forced to do the best they can.
Or sometimes they just get tired of all the bullshit and difficulty and decide “Yeah, this is far enough” and let it go at that. So maybe you have someone who’s done hormone therapy but couldn’t quite get up the courage to go through surgery–especially bottom surgery, no matter which direction you’re going that’s got to give some pause.
I’m pretty averse to most elective plastic surgery–I think it’s mostly unnecessary and often absolutely harmful but I don’t kid myself that my personal feelings about it are the only right and proper ways to approach the subject. Sure wish the transphobes could figure out the MYOB rule and shut the fuck up about it.
I have a trans friend, and she went through surgery to make her appearance conform more to the stereotype of a woman. It was expensive, and she did a GoFundMe (and I supported her, both financially and morally). But at the same time I was sad, because she wasn’t doing it for herself, it was because she was sick and tired of being misgendered constantly.
I wanted to tell her that she should tell everyone else to go fuck themselves, but who am I to tell her that? I’m not in her shoes. It’s easy for me to say that when I’m not the one dealing with everyone else’s bullshit every day. I’d probably go even further than she did to conform.
It is different from person to person. Another friend of mine who was a trans woman, she was excited about changing her appearance, and to her she enjoyed looking on the outside how she felt on the inside, regardless of what it took to get there. Everybody is different. I just wish more people would accept that everyone is different.
I have no idea why you thought this. It’s just a bizarre interpretation.
I started to address some of your other “points” and then I realized: you’re a wretched dumpster fire of a person. I hope any transperson who reads anything that you’ve written understands that you are a bucket of hate and spit, wrapped in skin, pretending to be a human. They should give your thoughts no credence whatsoever.
I love this post.