I pit British National Party voters

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I doubt there are any British National Party voters are on this board - but if there are, I’d like a word, please.

Go on, take a seat. There you go. Comfortable? Splendid.

You feckless, smug, evil little shits. Britain bled herself white holding the line against fascism in Europe - and in a completely free and fair election, you chose to send your very own fascists to the European Parliament. Two[ of them - I guess one just wasn’t enough, eh?*Link.

What the hell is wrong with you? The British National Party contends, in all seriousness, that there are no black Britons. That there are no Asian Britons. That, indeed, the only authentic Britons are white Britons, and the rest should simply leave. Indeed, that your government should compel them to “voluntarily” leave - nevermind whether or not they are citizens. And the BNP says this very, very clearly - you knew what you were supporting when you voted for these motherless skidmarks. And you voted for them anyway.

There isn’t enough shame in the world, you hateful bastards. I’m an American, but I’ve always admired Britain - for her tolerance, her culture, her politics. You’ve just spat in the face of the things that make your country great. And you’ve chosen to place the ugliest, pettiest side of your nation front and center before the world. Brilliant.

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These things are cyclical. Unfortunately, when Labour abandons its core constituency, the far right has historically gained. It’s a result of the success of the British Labour Party in becoming effectively the sole party of the left.

It sucks, but it will swing back. The one thing about the BNP winning things is that it makes them visible. And cockroaches don’t like the light. Hopefully this will mobilize what is left of the left to organize properly against them, and start giving the BNP the kicking it deserves on a regular basis.

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Actually, the BNP are very careful to not say this out loud, to many sectors of their target audience - ‘British jobs for British workers’ was their rallying-cry this time around. Many, if not most, of the people who voted for them did so having been thoroughly misled and manipulated.

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True, they’ve been playing down their basic wishes (to repatriate everyone who isn’t “ethnically British”). Still, though, you’ve got to be some sort of cretin not to know full well what the BNP are, and what they really want.

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Huh. Perhaps I give them too much credit. Their propaganda handbook (which appears to date from 2005) encourages them to openly state that the only Britons are white Britons. Maybe they never actually followed that advice, or changed their strategy.

Even if the voters were lied to, though - honestly, there’s a point where ignorance becomes willful. I stand by my OP’s harsh language regarding BNP voters.

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I dislike these neanderthal numbskulls, however it is easy to see how it can arise.

The labour market has changed and has simply left some people behind, they see Asian doctors, they see other minority groups making a life for themselves, and they feel as if they are under siege.

Our prison population is just under one half ‘ethnics’, and this is interpreted as ‘them lot not being civilised’ What they are incapable of understanding is that crime is concentrated among the poorer communities, and that tends to be immigrants, used to be the Irish, now its Asians, soon it will be Eastern Europeans.

There are plenty of people hurting, can’t get a job, world has left them behind, living on horrible council estates these people feel neglected and strike out.
They see huge wealth amassed by a few, and see themselves as having no opportunity - this is fertile ground for the extremist to plant their seeds of hate, discontent is often a breeding ground for hate.

You don’t have to lool far to see the reaction of other left behind communities, the radicalised Muslims setting off bombs in London.

What has happend is that globalisation and politicians have failed to provide for such folk, they feel written off - they feel condemned by mainstream politics.

I find it pretty distasteful that they invoke images of Churchill, which is about as far removed from fascism as it is possible to get, these idiots don’t even realise that the images of Britain they use were part of the National Patriotic campaign to keep the war against fascism going.

This should be a lesson to all politicians, if you fail your electorate, they will bite you back, they have nothing else left.

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Looking at their internal documents via Wikileaks to demonstrate this point only goes to show how their public image is so different from the people in the background. Compare that to this, from Policies Archive - The British National Party (BNP)

It could just as easily be a Daily Mail opinion piece. The only appearance of the word ‘white’ on the page is in a reference to ‘positive discrimination’ (their quote marks, just like the ones around ‘asylum seekers’, which suggests they don’t quite know what they’re using them to indicate, other than ‘things we don’t like’).

There is, however, a mention for “preference in the job market to be given to native Britons” - conveniently ambiguous, so that the ground troops can reassure most of the local voters, whoever they may be, that it means them.

Being a cretin does not preclude the right to vote, and there are a lot of cretins in the world.

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They had one of the BNP scum/leaders on the radio earlier. The host was trying to get a straight answer out of why they don’t allow non-white members. One of his reasons was that, if his members are discriminated against, they can sue based on racial discrimination. The host let it pass uncommented. Stunning.

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Which station, and who was interviewing? I can imagine many cases where this would pass unnoticed due to the ignorance or dimwittedness of the host, but I can also think of situations where I’d be infuriated to not hear it challenged outright.

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The BNP can burn in hell, and the sooner the better.

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It was BBC Radio 5 Live in the morning, before the Victoria Derbyshire show I think, unless she’s off again. It might have been Nicky Campbell. The host was pressuring him about their membership policy, it was fairly clear he was handing him some rope. The BNP guy had a few lame reasons including that gem. Another was that non-whites would cause disruption in the party and their message.

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Nick Griffin said exactly that during the Sun night Election Programme on BBC2 to Dimbleby. He also raised the question whether if a white only BNP is racist, why then is a Black Police Officers Association not racist.

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Sooner or later a black or Asian person is going to apply for membership so that they can sue the BNP when they’re refused admission. I mean, how is the BNP going to prove that they’re not white?

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Not being a fan of politics of hate, let alone a party which if it were ever to attain power, would leave us like S Africa during the apartheid era, I am still somewhat confused by many of those who are particularly vocal in their condemnation.

Nick Griffin calls islam a wicked religion, questions the holocaust, calls for repatriation of non white citizens and is rightly challenged.

Constrast that with the decade or more Abu Hamza was allowed to block off a street and preach similar hated filled sentiments. He was banned from Finsbury Park Mosque for inciting trouble, and held court outside - receiving full police protection to ensure he and his audience were never troubled.

Where was the outrage … where the angry mobs when he was calling for people to embark on jihad, martyr themselves, stating it was ok to kill ‘infidels’, ok to kill homosexuals, adulterers, etc ?

Likewise Mohammed Al Bakri when he referred to the 9 / 11 bombers as ‘The Magnificent 19’ … what if Nick Griffin called the alleged murderers of Stephen Lawrence ‘The Fab Five.’ ?

Or the protesters during the Danish Cartoon protests who carried placards calling for beheading, bombing, warning us of further attacks ?

When this was occasionally addressed on television or in the papers, we were reminded that free speech sometimes meant people would say unpalatable things, but that this was a price worth paying for such a precious right.

Hate speech is hate speech. Tolerating some but not others engaging in it, is moral relativism of the worst kind.

Furthermore on the subject of Abu Hamza and his affinity for adherence to islamic values … do we know if he would approve of sharia law being used against his sons following their conviction in the car ringing scam a few weeks ago ? They, I assume, are probably quite content with the more restrained approach adopted by ‘kufar’ courts.

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Nobody is calling for the BNP to be banned. We just wish they’d shut the fuck up. People tolerate the BNP the same way they tolerate Islamic radicals.

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telebox I’ve told racists, and bigots of many kinds, white, black, latino to go fuck themselves.

I fucking hate Islamic extremists, like wise and just as evil I fucking hate the BNP, and our equivalent, the KKK.
Racists should have their nuts crushed slowly.

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Fuck the fucking BNP. That they have been elected is disgraceful. The UK is one of the greatest liberal democracies in the world. As a foreign Jew living in the UK, however, the fact that someone has been elected who is on the record as shouting ‘death to Jews’ makes my skin crawl.

This is an embarrassment to the UK, nothing less. The fact that it seems to have happened through apathy rather than fervour does not reassure me.

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It’s harder to tolerate hate speech from groups like the BNP because they claimed to speak for us, now they actually do speak for us, with 2 MEPs and 6.2% of the national vote. That puts them on another level from a handful of hate-filled protesters whose only power is the ability to whip up a media shit-storm. IMO.

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The only fair way to approach this, is to agree that anyone can say anything as long as it does not actually incite violence - or impose a uniform course
of action to prevent anything being said that is inflammatory.

The examples I referred to, prove that no such consistency is applied. The police did not arrests any of the marchers at the cartoons protests until several weeks afterwards when they were accused of having behaved in a craven manner.

Likewise when The Anglian Regiment were heckled in Luton. The police have in the last few days, interviewed some of those responsible.

Waving a placard calling soldiers war criminals is not a sentiment I share, but they were deemed to have the right to do so.

I hold no religious beliefs, yet recall the BBC screened the ‘Jerry Springer Opera’ in the face of vocal protests from christians. Would the BBC screen a televised version of ‘The Satanic Verses.’ ?

I think not.

As regards the BNP, they have zero prospect of ever achieving anything meaningful at any level, indeed a cursory glance at the track record of the councillors they got elected in Barking a few years ago, shows they can barely manage to sit through a meeting and retain a grip on what is going on.

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The BNP only speak for themselves and the people who voted for them. I did not so they are not representing me in anyway.

Yet those hate filled protesters claim, and I stress claim - to speak for an entire religion.

My grievance here is with those among the chattering classes who try to categorise degrees of hate or prejudice. It should be challenged every time.

As regards the point of the protesters only whipping up a shit storm … people not unlike them killed 52 commuters, and injured 700 others.