I’ve said it twice now, this’ll be the last. the reason the BNP upset me more than other hate-groups is because they now represent me and because almost a million people voted for them.
Unless you’re a Muslim of course. Plenty in this extended family based community have or had relatives in Guantanamo never charged with anything. I doubt it helps improve their view of democracy.
And let’s also remember, Telebox’s memory notwithstanding, the placard waving Muslim ‘cartoon’ protesters were tracked down, prosecuted and imprisoned,
Published in the New Statesman.
Add to this the BNP’s coopting of the “British jobs for British workers” slogan from Gordon Brown and their use of the slogan “the Labour party your parents voted for” and it becomes clear that the BNP has to be considered a left-leaning party when evaluated on economic policy, and they are seeking voters disgusted with the performance of Labour, the traditional left-wing party of Britain.
If they are called right-wing at all, it is solely because of their racial attitudes. I feel this is a mistake - history tells us that racism cannot be considered a left-wing or right-wing phenomenon.
It is more of a right-wing phenomenon, but certainly not unknown on the left.
Come on, Mr. Moto, you seem way smarter than that. What that woul dmean is that the BNP has to be considered to wish to be viewed as a left-leaning party when evaluated on economic policy. They know full well their exonomic policies are never going to have any impact - they aren’t going to join any governing body at any stage. So they can express populist economic views, much as fascists have done through history.
I don’t think that the BBC are lying; I think that they’re conflating authoritarian with right-wing. They’re not making the difference. And it’s therefore guilt by association. IIRC it caused a few hiccups on a recent TV program when Mr Brons was revealed to be an out-and-out socialist.
They are fascist fucks. You can call them left or right as people have been debating if fascist fucks are left or right for decades now as neither the soft left or right want anything to do with them.
Either way one thing is clear. A fascist fuck is a fascist fuck and they should be ignored and dismissed as much as possible.
Not me. I wish they’d have every opportunity to talk and answer questions about themselves, so that everyone could see *exactly *what they stand for and what sort of people join the party.
And I’m happy to pit anyone who voted for anyone calling for people to be beheaded. Were they running for office?
Fair points, despite my above post I am no supporter of the ways New Labour have responded to the post 11/9 situation. Keep voting though, voter apathy will just make things worse.
Enough with the persecution bullshit; noted lefty rag the Daily Telegraph refers to the BNP as “far right” constantly, are they trying to tar the Tories with the same brush? Yes yes, we’re all enlightened types who’ve taken the political compass test, but the simple fact of the matter is that the term “far right” has been used for absolutely ages to refer to nasty racist nationalists, and its continued use is not in any way intended to smear the Conservatives by association.
Yes, the BNP have a semi-coherent economic policy these days, and yes, it’s unimaginative vaguely left-wing stodge, but to pretend that this is their overriding characteristic is just silly. They’re predominantly racist economic illiterates, and people of that ilk have been referred to for many, many years as “far right”. Get over it.
Amen. Their councillors are almost universally dissolute layabouts who disrupt proceedings when they bother to turn up, and are frequently involved in criminal activity when absent. I look forward to even more evidence of the BNP’s intrinsic fuckwittery in the coming months.
Regarding the National Socialist Party:
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Do you believe that they are a socialist party because one of the words in their name is “socialist”?
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If I call myself a socialist, does that make me a socialist?
Cameron calls them Nazi thugs
It’s nice to see the Tories condemning the far right. After Thatcher’s pandering to the National Front and all.
Well, since Thatcher’s pandering put the National Front out of business, you can’t really call the Tories out for it.
Quartz is coming from the same POV as these guys.
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/06/the-bnp-is-not-the-far-right.html
There is a debate there as you can see from searching GD about this subject. I don’t agree with Quartz but a lot of people do. Mostly right wingers I would guess 
As I said neither legitimate sides want the stain of these pricks on their side and I can understand that motivation.
I fucking can. She had a choice to stand up and oppose racism, or coopt the racists into the Tory party. She chose the latter course. One of the many things she did that will lead me to throw a party when she finally goes tits up.
First off the banning of the BNP was something I said I would not be opposed to, since I can foresee what wouLd become of this country with them at the helm. And where did ‘a significant number’ come into this ?
As regards your request for details of a poster, commentator, politician who is on record and your choice of words there I have repeated in bold as they are key to my argument over the relativistic and duplicitous approach to the issue.
No politician or journo is going to go on record and say ‘It’s ok to incite murder ?’ Are they ?
The fact remains that Abu Hamza stood in the street doing precisely that from 1991, I believe, until sometime around 2004/5.
Here are some of the pronoucements he has been allowed to make …
ON NON-MUSLIMS (KAFIRS)
Killing a Kafir who is fighting you is OK. Killing a Kafir for any reason, you can say it, it is OK - even if there is no reason for it
ON WINE SHOPS
Don’t go to the man who is selling a wine shop and tell him please why you selling the wine shop, come to the mosque?
Make sure that the man who gave him the licence for that wine shop does not exist anymore on the Earth. Finish him up
ON JEWS
We do not hate Jews because they hurt each other we hate them for their corruption on earth.
A Jew cannot look a Muslim in the eye or pass him knowing they have oppressed a Muslim or some other Jew had oppressed a Muslim elsewhere.
So nation of Mohammed must regain their dignity and this dignity would not be regained unless with blood.
- So to clarify … he was allowed to preach such statements for over a decade, and that is ok with you ? But if Nick Griffin says anything like this ‘Lets hit the streets.’
The police maintained a presence throughout so they knew what was going on. He featured in occasional news broadcasts which quoted his sermons, I am also pretty sure MI5 knew what was happening.
We had Mohammed Al Bakri calling the 9 / 11 terrorists ‘The Magnificent 19’.
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/381
There was aso Abu Izzadeen who called the 7 July Train Bombers ‘competely praiseworthy’ on a BBC documentary.
You can argue over a Wikipedia cite - but I watched the documentary and saw / heard him say it.
There was also the Channel 4 doc where they went undercover in a mosque to film the preaching of doctrine advocating violence. The editors were interviewed by the police, accused of malicious falsehood, and subsequently won a court judgement against the police, vindicating themselves over this allegation.
- None of them were interviewed, detained, arrested, charged for any of this. So no poltician or journalist went public and supported them obviously, yet none condemned them for what is at the very least dubious, and at worst criminal.
Had they said ’ kill all blacks’ would you take the same stance ?
Please can someone explain how a right wing racist spouting such filth is unhesitatingly condemned … yet when a self proclaimed muslim ‘cleric’ does so it’s not so bad.
Exactly how many people do you know who lived in the former communist bloc of Eastern Europe. I have met hundreds since I teach english, and without exception they are openly anti jewish, anti muslim, and anti black. They held those views under the communist system, and never shook them off when ‘The Wall’ came down.
East Germany, Poland, Czech Rep. the views are there. They encountered vietnamese, and chinese since both were communist countries and their governments wanted a public show of ‘solidarity.’ Likewise they took black workers from places like Angola and Mozambique.
Those people were never accepted
The above views are also held with respect Gypsies who are synonymous with theft, underhand business practices, and even kidnapping of children to add to their gene pool.
To infer that this is somehow a mindset of conservatism or a creation of Thatcher is absurd.
villa - since you are in ‘True Blue Virginia.’
When Churchill was in the United States he was accosted and asked ‘What are you going to do with the Indians.’
His reply ‘Leastways madam - not what you did with yours.’
He had a point.
And I believe more than a few Democrats were in at the beginning of the KKK.
What on earth are you talking about?