No, not Fidel. Not that he’s not a good candidate, but I’m talking about Ariel Castro. The perverted fucking piece of shit bastard who abducted, raped, beat, and held captive three young women for over ten mutherfucking years. A fucking decade.
His sentencing is being televised and he just began speaking. I turned the channel. Listening to him talk and say that he is not a violent person, justifying himself, the whole thing is just bizarre…seriously, my stomach is turning.
I wish I believed in Hell, because that’s where he should burn. Seriously fucking vile excuse for a human being.
On a brighter note, listening to the victim speak that she will not be defined by this was uplifting, but how does one overcome a decade of captivity and abuse? I’d like to think its possible.
I know that torture and atrocities are nothing new, but I will always be shocked at the level of hate, anger, dysfunction, and for lack of a better word “evil” that exists in some humans.
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Way to go for a controversial subject. You go, Girlundone.
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Yes, I realize that it’s not controversial. I wanted to say fuck and shit and goddamn a lot though, so I thought this was the place. I’m new, so I might be wrong.
What might be sort of controversial though, is how the lawyers tried to block things today because they said their client had already pleaded guilty and there was no need for bringing all this up. I understood it to mean “I already said I was guilty, so no fair telling all the stuff I did in detail.” I thought that was fucked the fuck up. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t understand all the reasons things go down like they do in proceedings like this. Maybe a lawyer can enlighten me.
I put it here also because I wanted to add that I hope he gets ass fucked repeatedly til his asshole splits and bleeds every day for the rest of his life and I hope he has to choke down gallons of other male prisoners’ jizz, while being made to beg for more while also being reminded every day that he should have been aborted.
I wasn’t sure if that was allowed in other forums. Is it allowed in the pit? If not, my sincerest apologies.
No amount of pain we can inflict on him can match the suffering he inflicted on his victims over the years. And even if it could, it wouldn’t erase the pain he caused.
And so what’s left? Put him in a box so he can’t cause any more suffering for other people, and forget about him. Wanting to hurt him would make sense if he was still out there causing suffering. But he’s not. He’s in jail. Or if causing him pain would change his behavior and he’d learn to not kidnap and rape women. Except it won’t.
I could listen to a case for putting a bullet in the back of his head, since he’s a waste of space on this planet. But there’s no point in causing him pain, since once he’s dead, he won’t exist to experience or remember the pain. A quick bullet in the brain ends our suffering at the same time it ends him, so the only point to torturing him is to make us feel better. Except that won’t work. And besides, do we really want the government to have the authority to torture people? I know, they’re really bad people who deserve it. So what? Just because they might deserve suffering doesn’t mean we deserve to dish it out.
So either lock him away for the rest of his life, or euthanize him, and then forget about him.
Viscerally, I want to cause him pain so he can experience just one iota of the terror and anguish those girls went through. I want him to feel shame, degradation, anxiety and humiliation. He was relentless to them, just letting him have his time in prison is too easy. He deserves anything but easy.
I’m one of those people who manages to find empathy for just about everyone. Serial killers, child molesters, all sorts of people with broken brains. But for some reason, I can feel no empathy for this man. None. I don’t actively wish harm on him, but I honestly don’t give a shit what happens to him. I don’t know what makes him an exception, but he’s the only perpetrator that has made me second-guess the death penalty.
What good will torturing him create? Justice? There is no justice in the sense that his pain will wash away the pain he created. It can’t happen. His pain will not lessen the pain of others, so what good is it?
The purpose of the justice system is to let the rest of us get on with our lives without having to worry that this maniac will kidnap and rape us. That purpose is served by rehabilitating him, except that’s not going to happen because we don’t know how to do that. Or it could be served by locking him away for 1000 years. Or it could be served by putting a bullet in his brain.
How is it served by torturing him?
As for him getting raped by the other prisoners, well, those guys are in prison for really horrible things. Like, you know, kidnapping and rape. If we allow prisoners to rape each other, who’s to say that Castro won’t be the one holding someone down and raping them? You can’t encourage prison rape without rewarding rapists. I thought the point of putting rapists in prison was to punish them, not send them to rapist paradise.
So we don’t allow prisoners to rape or attack each other, not because we believe that the prisoners don’t deserve to be raped or attacked (although we might), but because we believe that the prisoners don’t deserve to be able to rape and attack others.
Yes, lemur I see your point. Actually the old eye-for-an-eye doesn’t work on a psychopath anyway, since I’m assuming they are unable to generalize pain that they feel over to pain that others feel. In other words, there is no way to make him understand, because his mind just doesn’t work that way. He must be able to dehumanized them, to do what he wanted to them. He did not dehumanized his own children and indeed seemed to feel some genuine concern for his own children. I agree that killing him and moving on is best, but like Tequila Party, part of me says that’s just letting him off too easy.
Of course it lets him off easy. He’ll be dead an unable to suffer, or comprehend the suffering he inflicted on others.
So what?
We should care about his victims, and the rest of us. Who cares about him?
His suffering will make the rest of us worse off, because we’d either have to reward rapists with the privilege of getting away with rape, or we’d have to hire government approved certified torturers, whose job is to torture prisoners. How do you think that would work out for us?
Nah, you can say naughty words on the other forums, more or less. There are some specific rules that are sufficiently esoteric that I don’t even want to use the words that they apply to, and I refuse to use infantile bowdlerisms like “n-word” (unless I’m talking about the bowdlerisms themselves, in an echo of the fact that while I don’t go around calling people niggers, I consider it perfectly acceptable to say the word “nigger” when discussing the word “nigger”). In particular, be careful about using vulgarisms for the female genitalia anywhere on these boards.
His lawyers were doing their job, which is trying to to get their client the best deal possible, and in general trying to zealously represent and protect his interests. As the only deal he’s going to get is “lock him up and throw away the key”, I’d say they’re trying to protect his broader interests, rather than his narrow legal interests. Whether that’s technically required of a zealous legal advocate is perhaps open to debate, but it’s certainly not against the rules and it’s IMO the thing a good lawyer should do without having to think about it, even if your client is distasteful.
(FWIW, while I’m generally against the death penalty, in this case, as with the Boston bombing, I’d not argue with a great deal of force against a single bullet to the back of the head. Combination of overwhelming evidence and heinousness of crime.)
Oh, well, why didn’t you say so in the first place? A disgusting man that I am looking forward to never having to hear another thing about. May he live and die in emptiness and isolation.
Ah, prison justice. If we ain’t got the balls as a society to inflict penal rape ourselves, I don’t think we should be gloating at the prospect of a bunch of fine, upstanding prisoners doing our dirty work for us. IMO that’s got bog-all to do with justice and far more with lowlife looking for someone even lower on the ladder than they are.
That said, and after due consideration, I believe I am prepared to come right out and say without qualification that imprisoning and systematically raping women is indeed wrong. Well said.