We have always been at war with Eurasia.
My opinion is that “Perverted Justice” is an example of truth in advertising. They’re really engaging in a perversion of justice.
Yes, how dare they sit in chatrooms using profiles saying they are children to tempt those poor, poor men. I mean, how could one resist even if they are honest & law abiding citizens with no desire to have sex with a teenager. Sick, just sick.
Check the “criticism” section on their Wikipedia page, you’ll get the gist of every objection there is against their vigilantism-for-ratings. Most of it from cops and judges, btw.
There’s nothing vigilante about it. All the arresting is being done by law enforcement. I don’t see why I should feel sorry for any of them. If they aren’t truly predators, the tactics can’t work.
I really hate to say this, but you might have something there.
In fact, I’d be willing to lay a (quite unfeasible in real life) side bet that just such a show will air in the coming ten years, albeit not necessarily with Dr. Drew per se.
Perverted Justice doesn’t bother arresting anyone. All they do is post the chat logs online, plus the pervert’s personal information, if they can get it. Sure, it’s there for law enforcement to view if they want – but what can the authorities do, if no rendezvous takes place? The only actual effect is to make the pervert smarter, more clandestine, as they ditch the pedo chatrooms for venues under less scrutiny, like YouTube and MMORPGs. Have you checked up on your children lately? Who knows, some pervert could be chatting them up right now as we speak…
Can someone give me a brief recap on how we became relatively more puritanical with respect to sexual interactions between pubescent humans?
I’m just curious how in the space of 150 years or so (wikipedia: “while ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in western countries during the mid-19th century”) we made and justified an argument for social policy where willing teenagers (the willing part is key, here) were unable to sexually engage older segments of the population?
I don’t have a problem with prohibiting (but I have major problems with private vigilantism of the type portrayed in TCAP) sexual contact between 13-15 year old people and older people - but I’m curious as to why I feel that way (and so does the bulk of our society)
You know, I didn’t really care to comment on this stuff specifically, but, what the heck…
You know what? Take a depressed, single, socially awkward, low-self-esteem, below-average intelligence man with a slight twinge of horniness and manage to convince him that this hott thirteen year old wants to have sex with him of all people. If you had to apportion out “blameworthiness” in this scenario, you honestly feel like the guy ought to take 100% of the blame? (not suggesting that blame has to be split exclusively between the guy and the 13-year old, either)
Don’t you see the kind of people on these shows? Sure, they’re edited for content, but by-and-large these are not the real vanguards of cool - alot of them are down-on-their-luck, somewhat dim people that feel better about themselves because someone actually wants them in their life. (or so they think)
I don’t think they’re “ok” and I don’t seek to absolve them of responsibility, but I can at least understand how some of these things happen instead of having some soccer-mom-ish knee-jerk reaction that these monsters need to be chemically castrated and or fed to a pack of hungry dogs.
I never said anything about Perverted Justice arresting anyone. Children? I happily have none so you can sell the MMORPG stuff to someone else. When someone shines a light in a corner of a crackhouse the cockroaches scatter to somewhere else, too. Knowing that doesn’t make me want people to stop killing cockroaches even if they do get smarter than to hole up in the crackhouse in the future.
I gotta be real honest here, I don’t care how some of these things happen. I don’t care that some guy is lonely and depressed and has low self esteem. We all have our struggles in life. Having a sexually explicit conversation with someone you believe to be thirteen is pathetic and wrong and I hand 100% of the blame to the adult in question. 100%.
There are a lot of lonely, socially awkward, depressed, etc women out there too that they can attempt to contact. Yes, I’ve watched the show and when they read the chatlogs it’s alllllll about the innocence. Have you given a BJ? Tried anal? I’ll do it to you and you’ll love it, etc. It’s all about exploiting their youth and innocence. I doubt that simply being lonely and depressed makes one want that.
And piss on your “soccer mom-ish knee-jerk reaction” BS. Should I say you’re having a cover-your-tracks-and-make-excuses-empathetic-brother-in-arms-perv reaction because you disagree?
PS - The monsters, chemical castration and rabid dog stuff only makes you look silly when clearly people aren’t suggesting that at all. It doesn’t make you look more rational to exaggerate the points of people you don’t agree with.
I think the point being made is that some of these people would not offend had they not been enticed to do so by over-eager volunteers, anxious to boost their total of catches. A minority, I’m sure, but even if it’s only one or two that is troublesome.
You know, this is the same argument that many give when they have those stings where they park a bike outside a convenience store and watch person after person try to steal it. “It’s wrong because they are enticing them with it!” You know the bike doesn’t belong to you so you don’t take it. Period. We are becoming a country full of excuses for things that should be pretty clear. If I’m in a chatroom and a guy sends me a message and tells me that he’s 14 and horny and oh man he wants to talk to ME my answer is to ignore him or tell him to get lost.
Yes, I realize the world isn’t such a perfect place where we can always make the right decision in every situation but keeping our no-no spots away from the no-no spots of minors seems like a pretty easy one to start with. If this isn’t so easy for you (the generic you) then you have a responsibility to seek help. Your sickness (generic you) is a terrible thing I wouldn’t wish on anyone, but it doesn’t give you (generic you) an excuse or a reason to harm someone else because you’re sick.
What’s troublesome about it? They enter into these chats with the express intention of trying to offend. If the only thing ever stopping them before was lack of opportunity, that’s not a defense. The decoys don’t go to them, they go to the decoys. Anyone who is not a would-be offender cannot get trapped.
What’s troublesome is that some of these people may not have entered these chats ‘with the express intention of trying to offend’ but simply because they’re sad, lonely people who just want to talk. If they don’t bring up sex then the decoys do. And that’s where it becomes troubling.
As I said this will only apply in a small minority of these cases but it does happen. I’m not saying it invalidates the whole process, I am saying there should be far stricter supervision of the volunteers by an outside agency.
A lot of the chat logs they show us (yes yes, can be manipulated to all hell) tend to show the males doing all the sex talk.
Asking very bluntly what the “girls” know about or like. Or what they want to learn to do and whatnot.
Decoys just play, coy, and tease the shit out of the marks.
Have you ever been around teenagers? That’s how they talk, there’s nothing sweet or innocent about them.
100% of the adults involved are going into child themed chatrooms. They are taking the first step. They are initiating contact with children. No one is propositioning random guys. The guys are going into these chatrooms knowingly and with purpose. I have no sympathy for them for anything else that may happen to them.
Nobody who is not already a predatory pervert can be enticed to offend.
In this case, your act is illeagal even if your intent was not.