I Pit Giovanardi

Pick something to lie about in your own country to try to win voters with, but leave us out! This is outrageous. I just heard him claim on tv that we are performing Hitler’s Nazi’ ideas and aim for racial purification, and that 600 out of 1000 child-deaths in the Netherlands happen under suspicious circumstances. And this is a national politician of a major government party. What are you trying to do - suggest that they were all Euthanised?

And Berlusconi, you don’t fool me. While claiming that you disagree with him but can’t do anything because he is speaking on a personal title, I’m pretty sure that you gave him permission to do this and wouldn’t even be surprised if you told him to do this, to boost ratings among the Catholic conservatives in your country. After all, the only thing that counts for you is winning the next election.

In the end, I’m sure that all this will amount to is show the world again how pathetic Italian politics, and more important, politicians, can be. (Although I do give Berlusconi some points for at least managing to keep a government in office for a whole term, which I think is the first that did since WWII ended).

A well said pitting but I am probably not the only American Doper who could use more information about the people involved and maybe a link.
Are Catholic conservatives rising in power in Italy?
How is Giovanardi tied to Berlusconi?
Why would picking on the Netherlands help anyone get elected in Italy?

Forgive my ignorance.
Jim

Ecco, un linko. :smiley:

Well that helps.

Here’s a fairly concise summary, but his most recent remarks are a bit harder to find in English:

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06032003.html

Here’s another:

http://www.ejpress.org/article/6869

It’s *infuriating. * :mad:

Here are the facts:

…and this guy twists it into a horrorstory where the Dutch Nazi’s go around killing perfectly healthy babies because of minor flaws.

All I can say is that if that is the Catholic way to gain votes, the Catholics who vote for this guy will get what they deserve.

The guy is either a lying scumbag, a complete cynic, or too dumb to open his mouth.

A fourth option: Maybe, just maybe, he is just a politician pandering to what he percieves is his base. I never heard of that before…

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Oh, so he’s a representative of hundreds of thousands of Italian Catholics who prefer to foam at the mouth at them Nazi Dutchmen, rather then taking the five minutes to inform themselves of the facts?

Why doesn’t that cheer me up?

…and, on second thought, asceptic’s fourth option is covered by " lying schumbag" and “complete cynic”.

I work for the provincial government and my politicians would never stoop to this.

Welcome to Italian politics.

Check out Lega Lombardo or Allianza Del Nord both represent a lot of Italians.

Don’t you just *love * the EU?
Isn’t it nice to know that euthanasia, drugs-policy, gay-marriages, etc. will be regulated by one big, happy, family?

These matters were left to the member states even in the failed (and misunderstood) European Constitution. So I am not quite sure what you mean?

I wrote EU. I wasn’t even thinking about the European Constitution.

I meant: Don’t you just love the EU?
Isn’t it nice to know that euthanasia, drugs-policy, gay-marriages, etc. will be regulated by one big, happy, family?

But that’s my point … ! Your post is just an enormous non-sequitor. I don’t see how the EU has anything to do with this. Even if something like a European Constitution would ever manage to pass, then we would still not have this stuff regulated on a European level for some time to come.

In fact, by the time that ever happens, other countries will probably have seen the light, but then the Netherlands itself will have peaked and turned conservative and outlaw all these things, ha ha.

A little update - Berlusconi and Fini (prime minister and foreign affairs minister) have apologised to the Dutch prime minister, calling Giovanardi’s remarks ‘inappropriate’. This just before an important European leaders meeting. It all sounds like a carefully planned attempt to reel in some more conservative votes.

I do.

Say something witty in Deutsch.

“Zwei Männer sitzen im Wirtshaus. Der eine verdrückt eine ganze Kalbshaxe, der andere trinkt zwei Maß Bier. Statistisch gesehen ist das für jeden eine Maß Bier und eine halbe Haxe, aber der eine hat sich überfressen, und der andere ist besoffen.” — Franz Josef Strauß

No discernible relation to this thread, but the only witty thing with funny words in it that came to mind.

Now back to our regularly scheduled rant.

One gets drunk at two litre beer?
Nah… :smiley: