I know the Republican party believes in freedom, but I guess the freedom to make medical choices without having something inserted into you unnecessarily is just a step too far.
(Bolding mine) Aw, isn’t that thoughtful of them? Looking out for you silly women’s mental health? Years from now, you might still be distraught with regret and scorch your husbands’ shirts while ironing them.
Actually, as a believer in “the worse the better,” I’m glad the GOP has declared war on women, and not just the poor. The poor need the alliance of a voting block with higher educations and professional skills.
Think you may have mischaracterized in thread title. When I went with my lady to her ultrasound to find out I was gonna have a son, it only required some type of jelly on her stomach with the tech running some type of probe over it and snapping some pictures. It didn’t require any insertions that I can remember.
Some ultrasounds can be done without insertions. However, some do require a wand to be inserted into the vagina. If the goal is to punish a woman for seeking an abortion, then the kind that requires an insertion is usually the kind that the lawmakers specify.
Well, none except yours, I assume. 
Traditional ultrasounds can be done on the outside of the belly. Transvaginal ultrasounds, where the wand is inserted into the vagina, can be more accurate and clearer especially in very early pregnancy, when most women are seeking abortions. It stands to reason that people are concerned that women will be forced into an invasive, uncomfortable ultrasound for no good medical reason, solely because some lawmakers think it’s a dandy idea.
That was America 1.0. America 2.0 has lots of people with higher education and skills who are poor as dirt. If dirt has $100 grand in student loans.
This subject depresses me utterly. My preferred mode is snark and humor, but this sort of shit renders that impossible. Puppy Dopers mostly don’t remember that Bad Old Days, and praise the Goddess they don’t have to. None of my son’s friends have ever burned a draft card, or really know what horror lurked in the phrase “selective service”. Good.
I have a dear friend, had for years. She was young, she was silly, and she was, in the phrase, “first time lucky”. She scraped up what money she could for an illegal abortion. It went badly, and she nearly died. But she lost any chance for a better pregnancy. Became a pediatrician, bless her heart.
I have no humor about these issues, only rage. Goddamit! Never again! Never!
. . . There are time when it’s unnecessary?!
She was a woman who had sex. According to Republic “logic” she deserved anything bad that ever happened to her after she did that. My own late mother had an illegal abortion after she was raped. Thankfully she had a clean illegal abortion and nothing happened to her as a result of the abortion so she had me and my brother.
The choices are abortion safe and legal or abortion unsafe and illegal. It continues to utterly disgust me how most Republican men still vastly prefer the latter.
I wonder how this bill would stand up in court. If one accepts a right to privacy, one would assume that the state has no business mandating a probe being inserted into her hop-hoo. In fact, the state should not be able to mandate even the external ultrasound.
BTW, let’s not forget the good legislators who wrote this bill in the first place. The Governor signed it into law, but the legislators drummed it up in the first place!
I’m sure they rationalize it as voluntary, since the womean is free to leave without the ultrasound, or the abortion.
Well she already had to have something invasive done to get pregnant and will probably need something invasive done to be aborted.
I really do get the part about having a choice about who gets to ramble about in my plumbing and sometimes medical procedures take precedence. Pap smears, D&C, cryogenic surgery for precancerous HPV or cancer itself.
I’ve had this procedure and there really is nothing torturous about it. As far as I’m concerned it’s all political leverage on both sides.
Oh, now I’m all ticked off!
My bottom line? No man should have anything to do with this issue until women have already made the decision. And only then should they be allowed to express concerns, considerations which may or may not be reviewed.
My double bottom line - no intelligent woman has much of an excuse for an accidental pregnancy these days.
Wait, what? ISTM any qualified doctor in the hospital would do in that situation. Why does it have to be the abortion provider?
It has to be the abortion provider so that all freestanding clinics will now have to close and abortions will be less available.
I hope that double bottom line is a whoosh. It’s entirely possible for an intelligent woman (or any other kind) to have birth control fail or to be raped.
I know two women personally who had gone to the trouble of getting a tubal ligation, only to become pregnant a couple of years later. In both cases, the women had ample means to provide for the baby, did not have any medical condition indicating the pregnancy was dangerous, and welcomed the “surprise” addition to the family.
How is that possible?
From this post by don’t ask.
Whew.
The Wisconsin law says:
So we can conclude, based on your analysis, that this bill is probably NOT intended to punish women to seek an abortion.