No, because I still would oppose it for the reason that government should not be able to mandate medical procedures that are deemed unwanted and unnecessary by both the patient and the doctor.
Well, unfortunately, the legislature and the governor disagree with you.
Me, also.
Why do you think the government is better qualified than the mother and her doctor to determine the medical interests of the unborn child?
If I only had a dollar for every time I’ve heard you sing “It’s the law, you’re stuck with it, neener-neener”…scratch that, six monthis of hookers, blow, and high priced scotch would probably kill me.
You don’t. I merely make note that it is the opposite of what I have come to expect from you based on watching your debates on other issues.
I guess we all have at least one blind spot where ideology overtakes practicality.
This is the same system of law that allows use of deadly force to protect mere property, right?
Except under the law, of course. Abortion is a legal procedure and getting an abortion has been declared Constitutional by our highest court. It is not, legally, murder. You’re a lawyer with no respect for the law. Just another willfully ignorant theocrat.
Besides, your bible says when a person receives a soul, i.e., becomes a human: “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Genesis 2:7. Without the breath of life, i.e., pre-birth, it’s either not living, or not a soul, or both. There’s your theocracy.
Good point. The Catholic church for years would not let miscarried fetuses be buried in the same cemetary as their baptized relatives- they were unbaptized and not eligible for burial there. Even today the funeral for an unbaptized stillbirth is different than for a infant that dies after birth. Yet the church insists that we treat fetuses as equal (or even superior) to their mother otherwise.
Self-evident; that’s it? You’re not even willing to address your premise? Isn’t that…
All of your special zygotes that never develop into a child is a little troubling to me, suddenly your “bright line” seems a mite dim. Thinking that most human life sees its end as a dried up little blot on a woman’s cotton comfort panel leaves me with that not so special feeling.
This special little boy from a special little town is going to need a little special ‘splainin’ on both of these.
If it’s the moment of conception then you destroy your own argument, because there is nothing particularly special about a “human life” at that point. It’s just a cell. If a “human life” is what starts at conception, then a “human life” is less valuable than the multiple cells I kill when I scratch myself. You aren’t arguing for an embryo being especially valuable, you are arguing for human life being worthless.
Of course it’s principled, that’s the point it isn’t inside the woman’s body and dependent upon it.
And what makes you assume that there has to be a bright line in the first place? Human biology isn’t required to be legally convenient.
Its because you’re special, dear. That’s why you get that special, exclusive little bus.
Are you aware of any western country whose system of laws does not start with that premise? Really? You are not willing to accept that as a premise?
Now, we can argue about what constitutes “human life”, but if our legal system doesn’t agree that human life is “special”, then you wouldn’t be able to eat anything that was ever alive.
Humans die all the time of natural causes. There is nothing remarkably different about miscarriages.
Well, OK, what makes an abortion dreadful and a miscarriage a natural function?
What makes murder dreadful and dying of old age a natural function? Surely that is something you already know, so I’m not sure why you ask.
I was certainly not implying that miscarriages were non-events, only that they were not remarkably different from deaths we see everyday of humans all over the globe, by natural causes or accidents. An event for human sadness, but not anything the law normally needs to address.
Bricker, if we were to show you statistics that showed a significant increase in dead and seriously injured mothers due to botched black market abortions when abortion is outlawed, would you reconsider your opinion on abortion?
Choice.
She’s deciding she doesn’t need to know. Are you okay with being forced to undergo unnecessary medical procedures and having your time wasted by government order, to serve a purpose you don’t care about?
Yes. But bear in mind that I’d want to see them with today’s technology in use, not a recitation of what might have happened in the fifties with sixty-year-old medical knowledge in play.
It depends on the purpose. If I were an asymptomatic carrier of some disease, I might regard tests and prophylactic measures as meaningless, but there would certainly be good reason for the government to undertake them anyway.
So, yes, I’m OK with that idea.
Good grief, look around. A system of thought that did not regard humans as special would either starve to death in short order or be brutal in nature. If you cannot see the basic assumption that humans are a special case woven into the very fabric of our society, I cannot explain it further.