I assume you used birth control in your daily life, so as a total fucking hypocrite, you ignore that particular doctrine.
Altho, I hath my drooling under conthrol.
Absolutely not. I personally regard the use of birth control as sinful. That has no bearing on what secular law should say, of course, but the use of any artificial means to prevent pregnancy is, in my view, a sin.
Assumption rebutted.
Really? That’s interesting. How many kids do you have?
Wow, just wow.
I am such a sinner. I’m going to the deepest, darkest Hell.
I also don’t give a fuck what you think.
I reread the relevant posts, and at best I figure Bricker’s inconsistent. A post meiosis zygote is a DNA-unique human being, killing human beings is wrong, an IUD and other birth-control devices prevent implantation at least some of the time, but this isn’t wrong, or at least not as wrong as a later surgical abortion.
Well, I guess he managed to carve out a niche in which he can call abortion murder but hormonal or intrauterine birth control (even when blocking implantation) is not murder, despite the tenuousness of the distinction. Looks like a political compromise to me rather than anything based on scientific consistency.
In the Catholic community attitudes range from rigid obedience to affectionate disdain, there is a wide variety of diverse opinions. A potpourri of Popery, so to speak.
Am I joining you in hell because I own a vibrator? Or because sometimes
I use it?
Pics, or it didn’t happen.
Nor should you. I don’t know why you react with such anger to this – obviously you and I don’t share the same views on what is sinful. Why is that so horrible?
I didn’t ask you to care what I think, or accept what I think. I only shared my view of the issue. If I said that I thought watching “Real Housewives of New Jersey,” was morally wrong because it supported idiocy, would you get furious with me?
It can’t be a newsflash for you to learn that the Catholic Church teaches that the use of artificial birth control is a sin. And it’s not a news flash to you that I’m Catholic. Why is this this a surprise for you?
So you are not in favor of a law banning abortion?
Are you asking my opinion?
Are you Catholic?
If not, why would you remotely care what the Catholic Church believes is sinful or not?
I am in favor of such a law.
You quoted me saying, “I didn’t ask you to care what I think, or accept what I think,” but apparently failed to notice that it was in reply to Musicat’s comment, which in turn was a reply to my comment about my opinion about the sinfulness of birth control.
Now that your attention is re-directed to the flow of conversation, it should be obvious even to you that “I didn’t ask you to care what I think, or accept what I think,” is in response to the issue of birth control and its sinfulness.
It was not about abortion, or about the lawfulness of birth control, or about whether Ash’s Pikachu should evolve into Raichu. So if in the future you are tempted to respond to any post I make declaring that Ash’s Pikachu should NOT evolve into Raichu by quoting my line, “I didn’t ask you to care what I think, or accept what I think,” you should not do so. In that case, I WILL be asking you to care what I think and accept what I think.
Correct. Wrong, but not as wrong.
No. It’s the understanding that some acts are different than others. Even a murderer who kills with a single sniper shot to the head is horrible – but not as horrible as a murderer who cuts his victims apart, eats their still-beating hearts, and festoons his neck with their intestines while dancing to “Tearing me Apart,” by Agent Orange (1990).
Nor is merely a “political” compromise. I suppose a pure scientific view might object that dead is dead, and the second murderer is guilty of nothing more additionally serious than improper disposal of a corpse. I obviously wouldn’t agree.
You are asking us to believe that your support for a law banning abortion is unrelated to your belief that abortion is sinful.
As an aside: I have virtually limitless patience on this issue. So every time you post stupid shit like this, I will refuse to treat it as anything other than a serious inquiry from someone that must have made it because he didn’t understand the flow of conversation. I won’t get angry and refuse to answer such an obviously moronic interpretation. Each and every time, I’ll painstakingly explain the context that you supposedly missed and why your inquiry was misplaced. Every single time.
So keep 'em coming!
Well, I believe birth control is sinful, and I don’t support a law banning it.
I believe it’s sinful to miss Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation, and I don’t support a law punishing such absences.
I believe it’s sinful to fail to fast and to abstain on the days appointed for fasting and abstinence, Fridays of Lent and Ash Wednesday / Good Friday respectively, and I don’t support a law punishing the eating of meat on those days.
I believe it’s sinful to fail to confess your mortal sins at least once per year, and I don’t support a law punishing such a failure.
I believe it’s generally sinful to not receive the Eucharist during the Easter season, and I don’t support a law punishing such failure.
I believe it’s sinful to fail to obey the laws of the Church concerning matrimony, and I do support certain laws that would punish a subset of those behaviors, but I don’t support laws punishing others. For example, I do support laws punishing bigamy, and the attempt to marry within prohibited degrees of consanguinity, but I don’t support laws punishing the attempt to marry following a valid civil divorce.
I believe it’s sinful to fail to honor your father and mother, but I don’t support a law requiring it or punishing the failure to do so. I believe it’s sinful to steal, and I do support a law punishing stealing.
So I am perfectly able to separate behavior that is in my view sinful, but should have no place in secular law, with behavior that is sinful and also a proper target for secular regulation.
As I mentioned above, I believe it’s sinful to miss Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation.
Does that also garner a “Wow, just wow?”
Or do you shrug, because you realize that my belief that it’s sinful to miss Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation has nothing to do with you?
And if the latter – why is my personal opinion on birth control worthy of anger, but not my personal opinion on missing Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation?
So, you ARE asking us to believe that your support for a law banning abortion is unrelated to your belief that abortion is sinful.
Not precisely. I am saying that I separate behavior that is merely religiously sinful from behavior that is both religiously sinful and should be secularly proscribed, and in support I offered evidence that supports this statement.
Oh, you mean all that other stuff you find sinful, but don’t want laws against? I guess I was unreasonable to infer that you believe not all sins are equivalent, and some don’t rise to the level of advocating a law against them. Do most people believe all sins are equivalent?