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You forgot to mention the part where cites are just “some else’s opinion”. That was great.
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I actually addressed that very point in the other thread, if you care to check it out… 
[QUOTE=SmartAleq]
I actually addressed that very point in the other thread, if you care to check it out…
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I went back and read the thread just to find your post. Very nicely put.
[QUOTE=FarmerChick]
So which one is it?
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Sorry,clarify which part?
Are those signs actually enforcible under some sort of law in the way that handicapped spaces are?
[QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver]
I went back and read the thread just to find your post. Very nicely put.
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Why, thank you! curtsey
catsix–It’s probably against the law the same way burning wood is in Ohio… 
[QUOTE=Carson O’Genic]
Sprockets,you have my sympathies and almost perfect understanding.I live in a rural area that has had increasing air quality legislation.Farmers are opposed to burn bans,for what I feel are legitimate reasons,and almost all residents burn their trash.Despite regular postings in the press reiterating the law limiting burn material to tree products (branches,leaves,stumps,paper & cardboard ),few of my neighbours pay heed.Any enforcement would be by “outsiders”,and after all,it’s nunna there dam biness.
I too take a dim view of people moving into the country/farmland and complaining about the smells of manure,woodsmoke,etc. Yet if I’m downwind of anyone burning plastic,carpeting,rubber and the like,my thoughts echo yours.
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[QUOTE=Carson O’Genic]
Sorry,clarify which part?
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I highlighted your seemingly contradictory statements above.
[QUOTE=FarmerChick]
I highlighted your seemingly contradictory statements above.
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Seems to me they are only contradictory if we knew exactly what was being burned. I don’t think she ever clarified what she thought*. If Sprocket’s neighbor’s are burning something that doesn’t smell like wood she should at least say that even if she didn’t actually visit the fire in progress.
*eta: or did I miss it?
FarmerChick,
OK.Thought I saw bolding.
My understanding is less than perfect since the OP didn’t identify what was being burned,and may have been one of the types referred to in the second bolding.
Even total assholes breathing burning plastic have my sympathy.
By country/farmland I was trying to indicate a mix of tilled/woodland/undeveloped acreage.
[QUOTE=catsix]
Are those signs actually enforcible under some sort of law in the way that handicapped spaces are?
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No. Not around here, anyway. There’d be no way to prove how pregnant a woman was, anyway. I can just imagine a sign saying, “Women Six Months Pregnant or More”, or “If you don’t show, you gotta go!”
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Since moving out to the country a few months ago, I’ve had so many issues with neighbors burning illegally.
First let me say that I personally don’t think anyone in his right mind would burn rubbish and release the pollutants into the atmosphere, even if it were legal. I think it’s rude and inconsiderate and downright dangerous to burn for the sake of burning.
However, I’m well aware that no matter how strongly I feel about an issue it doesn’t give me a right to stop others from doing as they please. That’s why I took pains, when I first encountered this problem, to learn what the law is.
I contacted the appropriate representative from the Ohio EPA and he was very helpful and informative. He sent me literature and made sure I understood the law as it applies to my property and those around me.
Subsequently I reported one of our neighbors several times, and each time the rep from the EPA went to the house and found the man was burning illegally. He issued citatations, and I believe the last time there was a fine involved. But I noticed he and other neighbors were burning mostly on weekends, when Mr. EPA was obviously not at work. He told me to contact my local fire department on their non-emergency number.
I was loathe to do that, because I don’t really want to bother the fire department. So I found another resource, a man at my county health department who is also involved with enforcing burning regulations. He is just as helpful and friendly, and he also suggested that I call the local fire department on the weekend.
A weekend day came when we were working outside and all of a sudden WHAM! we were inhaling God knows what from a neighbor’s fire. (We aren’t very close to any neighbors here, but smoke travels a long way and some of these guys build big fires.) So I called the nonemergency number of the local fire department and asked to speak to someone about illegal burning.
A man came on who identified himself as Captain So-and-So. I told him what was going on, and that I had been advised by Mr. EPA and Mr. County to call him on the weekend. That’s when the patronizing attitude came into play.
“Well, little lady,” he drawled. (I swear he DID say “little lady!”) “What’s this neighbor burning?”
“I don’t know. Why?” In other words, isn’t it your job to find out?
“Well, sometimes people just have a little something to burn. And we’ve given permits to a lot of people to go ahead and burn.”
“You’ve given permits?” I asked. “Are you authorized to do that?” (They aren’t. Only the EPA rep can do that.)
“Oh sure. We just let people burn pretty much whatever they want.”
The conversation went on like that, with me feeling like I was in the Twilight Zone. When I reported this interaction to Mr. EPA and Mr. County, they were disgusted but not surprised by Fire Captain’s attitude.
My point is that in this day and age why is anyone still burning openly? I maintain that people might not know it’s illegal. I asked Mr. County if the local paper wouldn’t run something from him, and he said “Not unless we pay for space.” That’s nice, isn’t it? Mr. EPA said he hands out flyers to all fire departments but he doesn’t know what happens to them after he hands them over. I say ignorance of the law is ignorance.
I’m sure my neighbors hate me, because nothing pisses off people more than being busted for doing something wrong. The fact that they wouldn’t be busted unless they were wrong probably won’t occur to them, because it’s so much yummier to blame someone else. But I can’t let that stop me. I quit smoking four years ago, and I didn’t move to the country to suck down someone else’s smoke.
We are also on a campaign to live a more green life, so this is doubly irksome.
Does anyone have any tips on how to get neighbors to stop burning illegally? If so, I’d like to hear them.
(It occurs to me that, lest I appear as though I have a stick up my ass for neighbors, I don’t care what they do on their own property on their own time unless it impacts on my life AND it’s illegal.)
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I can tell you that burning rubbish stinks like no other stink I have ever smelled. My neighbor buerns his rubbish and his oil and his gtease and pretty much anything that burns. Hhe burns it in a firepit under the cover of darkness. Twice a week a garbage truck cruises by his house but it doesnt stop at his shack. No he cannot scrape enough spare change to get his shit picked up. Or take it to the landfill for $10 a load. He is trashy.
I have talked to him, I have sent the township to talk to him and the DNR has talked to him. He must be breathing the fumes of his rubbish because the man doesnt see the connection between his actions and the threat to 1) his groundwater supply 2) the water quality of the beautiful body of water 30ft from his burn pile 3) the air quality of the neighborhood especially on warm nights!
I tell ya, so many ignorant fools are popping in to tell you to fuck off where this man is concerned. You have a right to be pissed off and expect a little fucking respect and civilization from your rude neighbor.
Good luck with the pea brains in your community. Watch out for those good ol boys in blue.
[QUOTE=Carson O’Genic]
FarmerChick,
OK.Thought I saw bolding.
My understanding is less than perfect since the OP didn’t identify what was being burned,and may have been one of the types referred to in the second bolding.
Even total assholes breathing burning plastic have my sympathy.
By country/farmland I was trying to indicate a mix of tilled/woodland/undeveloped acreage.
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Sorry, to jump all over you, but nowhere does she even hint that there is anything toxic being burned. We have asked her repeatedly but the closest she ever came was post #25 where she shows her real asshattery by describing a fire ring and inferring that if a leaf is in the fire, or if you leave the fire even for 1 second, it’s no longer a “pleasure fire”.
I think all of us know that burning toxic shit is bad. I know I don’t do it, nor do I advocate it. But if my neighbour was doing it, I sure as hell wouldn’t be calling the authorities as my first response. As has been pointed out repeatedly to the OP, it’s common sense when city people move to the country to scope out the lay of the land, maybe get to know your neighbours. Calling the cops everytime you perceive they are doing something wrong is not the way to do it.
[QUOTE=chela]
I can tell you that burning rubbish stinks like no other stink I have ever smelled. My neighbor buerns his rubbish and his oil and his gtease and pretty much anything that burns. Hhe burns it in a firepit under the cover of darkness. Twice a week a garbage truck cruises by his house but it doesnt stop at his shack. No he cannot scrape enough spare change to get his shit picked up. Or take it to the landfill for $10 a load. He is trashy.
I have talked to him, I have sent the township to talk to him and the DNR has talked to him. He must be breathing the fumes of his rubbish because the man doesnt see the connection between his actions and the threat to 1) his groundwater supply 2) the water quality of the beautiful body of water 30ft from his burn pile 3) the air quality of the neighborhood especially on warm nights!
I tell ya, so many ignorant fools are popping in to tell you to fuck off where this man is concerned. You have a right to be pissed off and expect a little fucking respect and civilization from your rude neighbor.
Good luck with the pea brains in your community. Watch out for those good ol boys in blue.
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Now you I can empathize with! You have stated clearly with no bullshit that he is burning toxic garbage. That guy needs to be charged. Like I and many others have stated, burning of toxic garbage is a big nono and needs to be stopped. But it needs to be stopped through education. And the cold hard fact is a lot of the old timers refuse to listen. So until they retire and die off, short of jailing them all, we may be stuck with trying to educate them.
[QUOTE=chela]
I tell ya, so many ignorant fools are popping in to tell you to fuck off where this man is concerned. You have a right to be pissed off and expect a little fucking respect and civilization from your rude neighbor.
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Only we’re not, see. If he’s burning stuff that isn’t paper and yard waste and such, that’s actively bad.
And you went to talk to him. And half the township went to talk to him. Far as we can gather, Sprockets caught a whiff of something burny, hunted down the neighbor who had something bright and flickery in his backyard, and called the EPA.
These two situations, they are not – at least, with the information we have – comparable. Not that it matters. Apparently disagreement is too mean for words and requiring someone to defend themselves and back up their words is Totally Unfair.
[QUOTE=Sprockets]
What irks me the most is that some of you apparently feel you know me and that I’m some kind of horrible person. Since you obviously don’t know me, that means the persona you’ve created for me comes from your own hearts and minds.
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No, the persona comes from your posts here. You come across as a self-righteous busybody. If you are not such a person, then you have only yourself to blame for giving us the idea that you are.
[QUOTE=Sprockets]
What irks me the most is that some of you apparently feel you know me and that I’m some kind of horrible person. Since you obviously don’t know me, that means the persona you’ve created for me comes from your own hearts and minds.
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[QUOTE=Sprockets]
I can only conclude you are not reasonable people, and I cannot believe you would treat another human being with such nastiness if you were right in front of them instead of safely behind your computer screens.
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Oh you’d better believe it, babe. My neighbour pulled this nasty passive-aggressive shit on me once. Unfortunately for her, the persona that *you’ve * created for me - that’s the one who wouldn’t be nasty right back irl - doesn’t exist. I went straight round and told her that the bullying would cease and desist. From now on, if she had a problem, she’d deal with me directly. She’s never had a problem since…
[QUOTE=Pedro]
And you’re what… proud? Must be one of those things us city folk can’t grasp.
Some slurs are just too damn vicious, you know? Like animal lover! That can really tear someone apart.
Yeah, the EPA.
I’m torn between the desire to mock you or insult you, so…
You’re an idiot. There, I feel better now.
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To be fair, Alice the Goon was talking about a grandfather. I can imagine that rural living in the Fifties or Forties or whenever was a tad different than it is today, even without the changed outlook about the environment and how to treat animals.
[QUOTE=Leaper]
To be fair, Alice the Goon was talking about a grandfather. I can imagine that rural living in the Fifties or Forties or whenever was a tad different than it is today, even without the changed outlook about the environment and how to treat animals.
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Well, you tell me - do you think she’d brag about her Grandpa’s racist attitudes as much as his un-PC environmental attitudes? Now, I’m not assuming that her backwoods Grandpa was a racist, but if he was, that is certainly under the same “oh, it was the 40’s” safe haven some seem happy to provide for pouring paint in the creek.
[QUOTE=jali]
***Sprockets **
Member Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 249
Location: Ohio, USA
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And this
**Biography:
Started out as Commonsense **
Is that a prior Dope User name?
I searched but I didn’t find anything resent but I am not sure where the archives are or if they can be searched.
[QUOTE=SomeUserName]
And this
**Biography:
Started out as Commonsense **
Is that a prior Dope User name?
I searched but I didn’t find anything resent but I am not sure where the archives are or if they can be searched.
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I don’t think you can use a previous Doper name. We do have a** commasense** and an Uncommonsense.
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I don’t think you can use a previous Doper name. We do have a** commasense** and an Uncommonsense.
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Oh okay, I knew the name looked familar.
I was wondering though if it was a previous doper that used to go by Commonsense but the subscription ran out a while back and signed up with a new name.