Yeah, the uppity ones are a bitch to handle, aren’t they? They dare to speak their mind without fear of being “disappeared”, as they are in other forums. They are allowed to state their opinions here without having to share their time with a “balanced panel” of religionists taking up 3/4 of the speaking time, as what happens a lot on television news programs. They inconveniently ask questions, then actually persist in those questions when they aren’t answered in terms that make sense. Where are the nice, quiet atheists that respect points of view that make no sense and people that would condemn them if it were allowed here?
It just ain’t fair, I tells ya.
The irony burns.
Jesus was gay?
Well yeah, I’m a dick, but I thought that was due to things other than my atheism… 
Why, exactly?
Yea, dealing with Don Bruce can be a pain sometime 
The difference is, the Left is correct. The Right is full of loonies and worse, and they have repeatedly demonstrated that not only do they not know how the real world works, they don’t care. Unlike us in the “reality based community”.
:rolleyes: Hypocrisy at its finest.
Yes, I was thinking of him actually.
The world would be sooo much better if the atheists would shut up and leave the Christians alone to practice their religion in private, right?
Thanks for proving my point.
The world would be a lot better if everyone would get their nose out of everyone else’s business.
Missed it by this much! :smack:
And FYI, no one gives a shit what you think, you gross motherfucker.
Dick atheist here, and this board is about reducing ignorance. And theism is about the most ignorant thing possible, because it generally requires action without evidence.
Saying Jesus made the universe isn’t an opinion, it’s a factual assertion. Someone pointing out that your factual assertion isn’t logically sound isn’t being a dick, they’re trying to let some light into the cobwebby belfry of religious thought.
I did no such thing; facts are facts. Just because it is a common article of faith that Right and Left are “just as bad as each other” that doesn’t make it true. When two sides disagree, sometimes one is wrong and the other not.
First, not everyone who believes in a god is Christian. Second, speaking your mind doesn’t mean you go around calling everyone who does believe in god a “deluded nutjob who worships a magical skyfairy.” Nor are all Christians a bunch of fucktards who want to force everyone to believe as they do, or say they’re all going to hell. Those are just the ones you notice the most.
It’s gotten so people can’t even have a discussion about religion without some asshole coming in and saying, “Religion is a lie!” I’m not talking about witnessing threads, but discussions about say, “what does religion X teach about subject Y?” Or, “what exactly is ‘y’, and what does religion X say about, or what is its purpose?”
When the fundies do it, they’re jackasses. But apparently, it’s okay for YOU guys to do it. Because you have the Truth on your side!
You’re all a bunch of assholes. I don’t care WHAT you believe or not believe. Just don’t be a dick about it. You don’t “speak up for what you believe.” You just go around making up a bunch of stereotypes, and then when called on it, play the martyr game. Der Trihs is especially guilty of this.
Fuck this bullshit – you’re just a bunch of fundies.
(Edited to add: there’s a LOT of ignorance spread around about what religious people believe. NOT ALL CHRISTIANS/JEWS/MUSLIMS ARE ANTI-SCIENCE!!! GAH!)
Write back when you get a sense of perspective, 'k?
Cite where this happened, it was reported to the mods, and nothing was done. I know that I would jump on that in 2 seconds if it were reported to me.
On a mostly-American board those are the vast majority however.
Truth is truth; they are. Which is why people complaining about it like you are demand that the atheists should just shut up, instead of providing evidence that what the atheists say is wrong.
Those are the ones that matter, those are the ones that are driving force behind Christianity, the ones that comprise its core and control its direction. And the rest support the ones that are like that, ideologically and finacially.
Yes they are, whether they intend to be or not.
Some atheists understand religion: what it is, how it works, and the tremendous range of possible ways to be religious. They don’t personally believe, and there may be incredulity that humanity can behave so badly using religious as a motivation / justificiation, but in general they get it. Those atheists give an interesting perspective to discussions of religion.
The OP is the other kind of atheist: the kind who decide that anything that relates to magic or the supernatural is just stupid, and anyone who has anything to do with religion in any aspect is stupid, and that this stupidity is beneath contempt. It’s tiresome, but worse than that, it’s simplistic and rather ignorant.
You seem caught in an antiquated idea, expressed by James Frazer among others but debunked over fifty years ago, that science is meant to replace religion, that it’s one or the other. That is just wrong. (Oddly, the two groups who remain wedded to this idea are religious fundamentalists and what I might call fundamentalist atheists).
Learn something about religion. Take an anthropology class, or a psych class, or a myth class. Religion does something for people other than waste their time. Once you’ve taken it seriously, if you want to decide it’s a net negative then more power to you. But don’t just ignorantly dismiss it because you think it’s dumb to believe in magical beings.
Do you disagree with what I said?
I’d venture to guess that the average atheist on this board understands Christianity better than the average Christian.
Obviously religion has some value. It makes violent people afraid of doing violence for instance. But that doesn’t mean it is any less stupid to be religious. Taking things as fact without evidence and living your life according to arbitrary rules is the height of ignorance. There isn’t a nobility in believing really hard that there is an invisible guy who loves you above the clouds. It’s simply a comfortable delusion that has negative effects throughout our culture.
Sigh. Where to start?
“It makes violent people afraid of doing violence”: does it really? Colour me skeptical.
“Living your life according to arbitrary rules is the height of ignorance.” But the thing is, they’re not arbitrary. They may be pointless or counterproductive or silly, but they are not arbitrary. They arose within a specific cultural context, and there is some value in having the same rules as the other members of your culture.
“There isn’t a nobility in believing…”: True, but the comment suggests that you’re confusing theology with religion. Religion is belief, but it’s also behaviour, ritual, and culture. You seem to be assuming that the purpose of religion is to provide a sort of belief-based instruction manual for individual humans to live by, and that’s really only a part of the system. You also ignore the fact that you can be a Christian without believing “really hard.”