True. Firm punishment for animal abuse is good social policy for the reasons I outlined in my earlier post, but the gleeful descriptions should be shrugged off as merely venting some personal spleen.
Given that the effect – and, I firmly believe, the intent – was to hurt the cat owners, a better analogy would be if the keeper of Crafter_Man’s hypothetical gun stuck a dab of epoxy cement halfway up the barrel so that the gun would undergo catastrophic failure the next time it was used.
Interesting that Loretta was “anxious” for them to move out after only “a few months” - doesn’t sound like she likes anyone or anything!
Now, see; I wanna believe this right here. But I don’t. We got Lynn saying flatout that the woman deserves the same treatment as she planned for the cat.
I love cats. But I don’t treat my cats like people, and I don’t treat people like cats.
Loretta fucked up, that is for sure. But the idea she sould be abandoned in old age over it is bananas.
I personally think she deserves to experience the same torture she inflicted on those she harmed. Fortunately, she can’t get what she deserves. None of us has the right to inflict that upon her.
But what does it hurt to say what we are feeling?
Why assume the most negative possible interpretation of what these people feel? You’d find it hard to live in a society where there are people as bad as you are accusing the rest of the Pit crew.
Loretta wasn’t just cruel to the cat, though that was bad enough. She was cruel to her own child (I forget if it was son or daughter) and her grandkids, incredibly cruel. I don’t believe that Loretta deserves to be treated as a person, because obviously, she is not. Remember, this wasn’t a spur of the moment thing…she asked someone else to do this first, and then she abandoned the cat herself. She didn’t even have the decency to take the poor thing to a shelter, where at least it would have food, water, emergency medical care, and a chance to get adopted.
Yeah, what Loretta did was shitty, but you know what? I don’t know this person, and neither does anyone else here. I’m not going to make a bunch of assumptions about her motives, and then, from the shit I just made up, extrapolate that she’s a horrible person who deserves horrible things to happen to her. The reactions in this thread are grossly out of proportion to what we [del]know[/del] have read about what this woman did. But please, don’t let a lack of knowledge get in the way of the RO.
What knowledge do we need? I mean, what could exonerate something like this? It’s not like you can even say she had a bad day because she continued to lie to her kids for ten days which is just creepy. Like pathological liar level creepy. And if she’s planning on doing it again, she clearly doesn’t regret it.
You fucking moron. Yes, don’t abandon cats, blah blah blah. But it’s a fucking animal with FANGS AND CLAWS THAT KILLS THINGS AS PLAY.
I’m sure the fucking cat, given the choice between living in the wild for a bit and being killed would probably go for NOT BEING KILLED.
Jesus, so let me guess, if you have barn cats who live outdoors, you’re torturing those animals to death?
The depth of your retardation is simply amazing.
Especially in light of the horrible consequences of such activity.
Oh wait, there are none, except the RO of other posters. And the circle is complete.
Well, if her kids/grandkids knew, they’d probably think a lot less of her.
Her children and grandchildren are fucking humans. She promised right to their faces to look after their cat; then as soon as they were out the door made plans to get rid of it. Then when she did get rid of it she lied (& kept lying for days on end) right to their faces. Now that they’ve gotten the cat back and again asked her to look after it and again she agreed to do it. It’s not just how she’s treating the cat that’s the problem; it’s how she’s treating her own family.
Oh, and a house cat who’s spent it’s entire life being a housecat is not the same as a barnyard cat that’s spent it’s entire life being a barnyard cat. Would it be cruel if a took a random person from the city and dropped him off in the middle of Alaskan bush with no survival training, no clue where is, nothing but the clothes on his back, and no way to call for help? After all the Inuit have been living in the same enviroment for 10s of thousands of years and they get along fine.
Very well put. Cut off the random city person’s fingertips and you can extend this analogy to a declawed housecat.
So what, the first time a person lies, it’s “off with their head!” Since when does breaking your word call for abandoning a human being? I can’t believe we’re pitting somebody for lying. Aren’t there any more stories out there about fathers eating their toddler’s eyes out? You know, something to really rile us up?
Hey, that looks like fun! Let me try it: There are two barriers between civilization and barbarism: Pizza and hookers. Wow, that was great! What do you call this game? “Making Shit Up”?
And I like how you call it “animal abuse” and not by the more accurate “cute and fluffy animal abuse”. I set up rat traps, so I must be barbaric, right?
But I stomp roaches that tread on my property and swat mosquitos all the time. Why is that ok? They’re living and breathing creatures too. It’s certainly callous. But so what? It’s still moral. Same goes for cats.
Now, look. Loretta lied to her grandkids. That’s bad. No one is arguing otherwise. But let’s not pretend that’s the reason for the OP. This thread exists not because of a lying grandmother, but because a po’ widdle kitty.
But the kids cared about the cat. Most people don’t care about vermin/roaches. Now, if they’d had a pet rat and they asked her to take care of it and she said yes, then she’d be a creep for killing it. I think getting rid of something that someone you love cares about and then letting them suffer (searching for it for ten days) without saying anything is just bizarre. It’s not like telling a little white lie–it’s doing something pretty hurtful.
And then deciding to do it again–even knowing how upset the kids were. What kind of grandmother does that?
So yah, I check in with my ex girlfriend’s cats this weekend. I figure I’ll hang out, turn on the stereo and make it seem like there is someone home for awhile. So… any good CD’s over here? Hmmm… yah there are some good CD’s over here! Like 8 of my favorite CD’s were at my ex girlfriend’s apartment!!!
So I collected the ones I thought were mine-while the kitties watched- and took them home. Some of them will probably be of disputed ownership, so I’m afraid I’m guilty of displaying controversial behavior to the kitties 
Yes, keep anthropomorphizing the cats to show how right you are. Cats operate on instinct. They don’t go to cat skool to learn how to eat things. Sure, some cats that are abandoned won’t survive. Some will become predators. Some will become prey. You think the cat chasing a fucking laser pointer is just doing it for fun? No, it’s hardwired into their tiny tiny brain that little moving things need to be killed. Cat play is hunting training.
Secondly, you are still missing the point. I said abandoning the cat wasn’t a good thing. But I also said it was better than euthanizing the fucking cat. If you think that an animal who gets lost or abandoned would be better off dead, you’re a fucking shithead. If you think abandoning a cat is morally or practically the same as torturing it to death, you’re not only a shithead, you’re seriously mentally retarded.
Why don’t you go round up every fucking animal on the planet that lives in a non-domestic setting? Do you call the nature documentarian who watches the orphaned gazelle fawn being stalked and killed by a lion a practitioner of animal cruelty? No, you don’t. It nature, and it’s nasty. Cats are cute, sure. But they are certainly capable of living in the wild. It’s not like they get depressed and throw themselves in the river or stare dumbly at that tasty mouse because living in your house made them forget millions of years of evolutionary instinct.
But I guess if you want to stake out the claim that you’d rather kill a cat than let it live in the wild, that’s your business. But when you stick that needle in and pump it full of sedatives, take a moment to think about who’s really the evil bastard.
Neither of you have provided any proof to your assertions. I know you don’t have to, but, as it is, you just come off as threadshitting at best. You know this thread is full of cat-lovers, so you say the meanest things you can think of to them?
Why is euthanasia bad, but abandonment better? What basis do you put this on? As it is, it sounds like it’s because YOU are anthropomorphizing the animals and making a value judgment based on if they were human. Is it impossible to understand that a domesticated cat (possibly even declawed) might not be able to adapt in the wild, and might slowly starve to death? Is there any reason to assume that this is a better fate than allowing the cat to die sans pain?
What I see a lot from you is the inability or unwillingness to at least try and understand the other side. (And, of course, that isn’t unique to you.) If you can’t at least form an argument for your side (which requires actually rebutting the other side), then what’s the point of posting here?
See, as it is, it leads me back to the idea that you are merely threadshitting.
Drowning them in cages as well.
Once a cat has become domesticated, they stand very little chance of surviving in the wild, as you put it. Any veterinarian or wildlife expert would tell you that. As you seem to be one, I wonder how it is that you don’t know that.