No, no, you see, what Bob is saying is that he shouldn’t be able to force anyone to have kids. He just wants to be able to point out the obvious fact that not having kids is selfish.
That his argument has no logical coherency whatsoever beyond “one things follows another thing” is merely an amusing side-effect.
Intelligent enough, sure, but that AIN’T the only factor.
Smart and bat-shit insane ain’t a combo I’d want to see raising kids. Heck, it describes one of my co-workers, and that sure didn’t look like a happy scene to me.
I just want to come out on the side of Bob55 on this one. Just thinking of all the selfish people out there makes me angry.
Like that bastard Issac Newton, what did he ever do for the world? I’ll tell you what he did, he left it without having babies thats what! Selfish fuck.
Oh, and what about that useless bottom feeder Thomas Paine? I get so mad when people claim that he contributed to society. If he supposedly did any good then where are all his babies, hmmmm? Thats what I thought.
Then of course there was that fucker Soren Kierkegaard who thought he was soooo great. Clearly he was delusional and just trying to justify his selfish babieless life.
And what about John Keats? Useless waste of a human life. Poetry shmoetry, if he would have just spent his short life making as many babies as he could the world would be a much better place.
I could go on all day about these selfish, irresponsible people that clearly cared for nothing but themselves and never thought deeply about the world as a whole the way great thinkers like Bob55 do, but I just get so mad dwelling on all these wasted lives.
Yeah, and what about that selfish Mother Teresa?
First of all, I’m more libertarian than conservative, i.e. I don’t give 2 craps what you do with your life. I don’t want the government telling me what to do, nor do I want other people telling me what to do. That being said, if you’re going to air your dirty laundry on a message board that is supposed to be open to discussion, I’m going to call thing like I see them.
There are so many deeply depressed people in this thread who think the only real joy in life is their materialism.
And no, the world doesn’t need anything as far as gays, atheists, 2 kid families, conservatives, liberals, etc. In the end it is survival of the fittest, and the world gets what it selects for. I suppose we should have tried to convince the Romans that the world needs Carthagineans?
Because you’ve offered a more plausable counter-argument. Oh wait, no, you haven’t. Stop being so defensive, I’m not here to judge you, only to inform you.
Really? I could offer 1000 people who have had kids and done something for the world for each 1 person you mention otherwise. Just because you have kids doesn’t mean your life outside of them has to stop, you can still fight in a revolution or study the cosmos. I’d still place Newton higher in my mind if he had had a family/kids than if he analyzes a ball dropping. The world went around before he came along you know. Thomas Paine too.
Well thought-out response, glad you came aboard. BTW I think your comment in escaltor thread reveals a lot about the type of person you are deep down.
God forbid someone express their point of view without you mocking them.
Really? I can’t make observations about women? You clearly have issues with men, I don’t know what they are but they seem to run pretty deep. If you just tried being sweet it might get you further in life than being so sour.
I just love it when people can’t stand to see an opposing point of view. And you all say that I’m the one who is narrow-minded. I sense so much anger and depression here, and I agree with many of you, you probably shouldn’t have kids with those attitudes. But I’m just pointing out that it’s your attitudes that need readjusting, not the fact that in society, children are the norm.
Please, continue the zerg rush. It won’t stop me from speaking my opinion. Yes, it’s my opinion, and I have a right to speak it without everyone getting so defensive and personal. But many of you have sunk to that, and it does truly reveal your maturity level if you cannot take someone’s opinion in stride. If you don’t want to hear about it, don’t post your thoughts in The Pit.
I addressed your opinion seriously in both posts #44 and #84. And yet…you seem to have only responded to my posts which mocked you, while ignoring those. Why, it’s almost as if you have no good argument against them. Shock! Horror! Surprise!
Care to try again? Or will you be ignoring/responding with scorn to this post, as well?
Hey, dickcheese: you’re the one who wandered into this thread and started lobbing the personal insults. Don’t get on your high horse when other people treat you exactly the way you’ve treated them. Now run along and attend to your crotchspawn. If they’ve inherited your intellect, they’re probably busy playing space man with a garment bag, or sticking pennies into electric sockets. Why don’t you go see to that. It might help distract you, however temporarily, from the crushing realization that you’re trapped with those little parasites for the rest of your life.
Women have a care reflex? Nothing annoys me more than hearing a baby cry! I just want to run far away.
42, female, never wanted kids and don’t regret it. There’s far too many people in the world aready.
You know, with every time a child is born, there’s a chance it could turn out to be Bob.
You seem to have completely missed my point, and I can’t say that I am suprised.
You are right that the world went around before Newton, but you know what? He made that world a better place for future generations! Same with Thomas Paine. They devoted themselves to making the world better, and they did it without needing children.
Although I suppose you may well believe that Thomas Paine got himself locked in a French prison and almost excecuted soley because
You’re the one who keeps talking about materialism and being depressed. I’m not depressed, and I’m not even particularly materialistic.
I don’t recall saying, “I don’t want kids, 'cause I saw this great new BMW I want.” I know the reasons I don’t want kids. I’m short-tempered, impatient with people who don’t catch on quickly enough, and a poor teacher in addition to that. Those aren’t exactly the kinds of qualities that make you a good parent. Cervaise’s funny post to the contrary, you really don’t get to test drive the rugrats first, and there’s no money-back refund if you find out that you fucked up. A real life is at stake.
And looking at the little guys, I feel *absolutely zero *maternal instinct toward them. You obviously find it impossible to believe such a thing exists, but it really does. I don’t want kids at all. Not even a little bit. When someone says, “Do you want to hold my baby?” I don’t say “no” just to be polite. Holding a baby is like holding a really valuable piece of art that I have to be super careful around. I don’t feel anything holding it, but I understand it has value to someone else.
:rolleyes: Because I do that so often around here. A search of my history will prove that I am very laid back on this board, and I try not to make waves. I’ve never Pitted anyone, and I’m not sure I’ve ever joined in a Pit against another poster. For you to get me so pissed off that I actually resort to mocking you publicly shows how incredibly fucked up I find your opinions.
I simply can’t believe the BS that is being spewed by Bob55. Is this man actually trying to tell me I respond to the sound of a child crying by wanting to help it? I respond to the sound of a child crying by getting the hell as far away from it as possible, including leaving resturants. (If I see an unattended child, that is different. I don’t like kids but I am not going to stand by and let one get hurt. I’m not going to let an animal get hurt, either. The difference is that I will actively try to find out why a kitten is crying.)
Bob55, no one is faulting you for stating your opinion. What is annoying the hell out of people is the way you are doing it - telling others that their choices are wrong. Just because you have made choices does not mean those same choices are the right ones for other people. Telling women they have to respond to a braying child or that they have to be a slave to their chromosomes doesn’t invite intelligent discourse, it invites ridicule - which you are receiving in full measure, in case you haven’t noticed.
People such as you are the reason many women had children they didn’t want - because they were “expected” to. Some of those children ended up doing well. Some of them did not. Some of them died.
Let people make decisions for themselves.
Actually, deep down I’m a very happy, secure, and compassionate person. However, I wear my disdain for assholes right on the surface.
You’re not an asshole because you think everyone should have kids. You’re an asshole because you come in here, drop bullshit amateur psychoanalyses of and derrogatory comments about people who don’t want kids, and then cry foul when people disagree with you. You seem to think when *you * say something offensive it’s just “offering an opinion”, and when someone *else * says something offensive, it’s a personal attack. Which granted, a lot of these are, now. Because you’ve been an asshole.
You also seem to be completely unclear on the definition of the word “truth”. Allow me to help. It isn’t “whatever Bob thinks”. You keep offering “arguments” as to why people who don’t want kids are selfish and depressed and in denial, but when confronted with evidence to the contrary, you shut your eyes, block your ears, and lalalalalala some more. Your logic is not like our earth logic.
And frankly, I’m fucking bored with you whining about how mean we are. It’s the Pit. Suck it up.
No you don’t.
Not in the Pit, you don’t. Around here, the rule is, anything you say is fair game. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out, assclown.
You know, I’ve been gone for a little while, and this is what I come back to. I started out thinking that I was going to have to launch into a long and detailed response to you, dear, Bob55, but I see there is no need. It’s largely been done for me. Not to mention the fact that after I have read more of your posts it is clearer than clear to me that it would do no good. You are as deaf to anyone’s cries for understanding as the WBC.
Bolding mine.
And the personal attacks are just motivated by my 'ol brain stem. See, even if I try to attack your ridiculous beliefs in a rational manner, what it comes down to is giving into the 'ol fighting instinct. If you thought that what I said was a personal attack, psht, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. This is the pit. Get to know it. As a matter of fact, if you think you want to debate about it, go on over to GD. I tend to avoid that place because I’m obviously outgunned, but I would make a special trip into that forum to watch what the really smart people in this place would do to you. (without swearing, even!)
I have lots of close friends whose opinions I don’t necessarily agree with, but I have respect for them nonetheless. You? Not so much. I fear that you will be sending another generation out into the world with the idea that what is right for them is right for everybody even if they don’t know it. Telling me that you know what’s best is…laughable. Miller pegged it with his explanation of why you ought to rethink your definition of selfish. Nobody cares about your spawn but you, man. Nobody. That’s what parents are for. This grandiose vision you have of gracing the world with not only your presence, but perpetuating it with your offspring somehow making the world a better place simply by virtue of being is narcissism in it’s purest form; and that, my friend is a diagnosable psychiatric condition. Have it looked into. You’ll thank me that you don’t have to regret living the rest of your life with the pressures of being the SMARTEST MAN IN THE UNIVERSETM. No really, if you don’t, you’ll regret it. That is my opinion. If you don’t do it, you’ll be empty and depressed, and that would be a selfish way to live when you have little ones to think about.
I hope someday Bob’s kids grow up and refuse to have kids.
Whatever do you mean? I find the World Boxing Council to be both pleasant and receptive to new ideas.
Have kids! It’s your duty! Have kids!
Or your life will go right down the skids
Into selfish denial
Of your genome’s survival.
So Bob saith, Speaker for Ids.
Two words:
Don King.
I rest my case. 
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