The asshole is trying to overthrow our government through lies, attempts at dictatorship…and violence, if he has to.
What the flying fuck is over-the-top hysteria when it comes to dumping this dumpster fire of a wannabe democracy destroying dictator??
I enjoy pile-ons as much as the next man (don’t tell my wife), but on reading some of the first and last posts I think there is a bit of nuance here.
I hadn’t heard anyone use “genocide” to refer to this admin’s actions before…please don’t cite examples, I can believe someone somewhere has said it, but it certainly wasn’t commonplace IME. So I’ve been a bit surprised that some here have bit the bullet.
IMO what we’re seeing in this administration is early stage ethnic cleansing, and so maybe sort of a genocide, if you squint, but I’d personally not prefer to use that word. Mainly because I don’t want to be in a debate and get tied up with whether Trump’s actions have met the technical definition of genocide, rather than focusing on the actions and their discriminatory and immoral nature.
I remain skeptical that using potentially dubious vocab is somehow lessening Trump’s crimes, or preventing people from opposing them though.
I feel like it might be worth inserting the obvious, here: in today’s political climate, the Democrats are always running against a caricature painted by the Republicans, and not what the Democrats, think, want, stand for, say, or who they are.
Whether or not you think “genocide” is utterly hyperbolic, it will struggle to compete with the next round of baseless accusations launched against Democrats by the RW.
If the left isn’t actively encouraging immigrants to eat our pets, they’re requiring that all elementary school children have gender affirming/reassignment surgery without parental consent.
It’s nice to set up an “as sure-fire as it is unprovable” argument for why the Democrats might have lost this or that election (not unlike Trump’s “there never would have been a war in Ukraine if I had been President”), but it doesn’t seem reflective of our current reality.
We’re rules-lawyering over here. They’re playing Calvinball over there.
You do realize that to get from step one to step five, you have to go to step two, right?
You are making no sense in this thread at all.
I heard several more states are sending their National Guard to D.C. They’re just itching for a fight.
West Virginia, Mississippi, Tennessee, Louisiana, South Carolina, and Ohio.
I get a little queasy when states with a “peculiar history” start talking about “restoring law and order” in places noted for excessive melanin content,
Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves, a Republican, on X on Monday: "I’ve approved the deployment of approximately 200 Mississippi National Guard Soldiers to Washington, D.C., to support President Trump’s effort to return law and order to our nation’s capital.
“Crime is out of control there, and it’s clear something must be done to combat it. Americans deserve a safe capital city that we can all be proud of. I know the brave men and women of our National Guard will do an excellent job enhancing public safety and supporting law enforcement.”
Governor Landry on X on Monday: “I have approved the deployment of approximately 135 @LANationalGuard soldiers to Washington DC to assist in President @realDonaldTrump’s mission of restoring safety and peace in our nation’s capital. We are a nation of law and order. Our capital is a reflection of our nation’s respect, beauty, and standards. We cannot allow our cities to be overcome by violence and lawlessness. I am proud to support this mission to return safety and sanity to Washington DC and cities all across our country, including right here in Louisiana.”
I come from a very, very different heritage. I am Zimbabwean. Shortly after Independence the regime under Robert Mugabe perpetrated the Gukurahundi massacres, killing thousands of a-political and political isiNdebele people, and moderate chiShonas
Politically influenced massacre might seem insane to you USA people. It seemed insane to us. But it happened. It also happened elsewhere.
It can happen to you. American “exceptionalism” is, unfortunately, not “an exception” unless you, the Americans, make it so.
I remember 9/11, and the utter shock that most Americans felt that they could actually be attacked like that. They genuinely felt like they were immunce for reasons that I can only ascribe to magical thinking and ignorance of history and geopolitics.
For the same reason, I think most Americans today genuinely don’t believe it CAN happen to them. They won’t believe it until it starts happening, and, as we’ve seen among the Trumpists, a lot of them not even then.
This is in part why this thread frustrates me so much. It’s not that there is one weird rhetorical trick that will get people to wake up and oppose Trump, or prevent them. We have so many factors keeping us passive, but chief among them are our comfort (things aren’t that bad if you’re white, which is still the majority), our deep and committed ignorance of the rest of the world and its history, and our religion. No change is going to happen in America unless Jesus comes and brings it himself.
I hope that we get through the Trump years without violence, but I don’t see how.
The point that I was making and it is missed here, is that a lot of genocides where not the “original” plan, it is by looking at history that one knows that ethnic cleansing is, in many cases, a first step.
Fighting to stop that fist step has to be seen as a way to prevent any possible genocide in the future. Once again, one should not forget that many Nazi supporters did not think that eventually a “final solution” was in the cards. One should fight first to stop unconstitutional and corrupting things, while we also support the institutions that are under attack by the Administration. (Also an unconstitutional thing IMHO)
For 338,000 German Jews The Holocaust started with deportations,
In the autumn of 1941, approximately 338,000 Jews remained in Greater Germany. Until this point, Hitler had been reluctant to deport Jews in the German Reich until the war was over because of a fear of resistance and retaliation from the German population. But, in the autumn of 1941, key Nazi figures contributed to mounting pressure on Hitler to deport the German Jews. This pressure culminated in Hitler ordering the deportation of all Jews still in the Greater German Reich and Protectorate between 15-17 September 1941.
Deportation of German Jews, September 1941 – The Holocaust Explained: Designed for schools
This was mere months before Wannsee.
Yeah, he seems to think the situation is:
Clear Eyed Realists Like Him: Hey, these ICE raids are really bad. Let’s organize to stop them!
Anti-Trump Hystericals: Why are you wasting time on ICE raids instead of fighting the Mexican Genocide that he’s clearly gearing up for? I’m not wasting my time fighting anything except these camps, specifically, as soon as they’re built and operating!
When it is, in fact:
CERLH: Hey, these ICE raids are really bad. Let’s organize to stop them.
ATH: Yes, absolutely - these raids are a major step towards implementing his genocidal plans, and if we can stop them now, we might be able to derail him completely before he can start genociding!
Literally the only difference between him and the people he’s condescending at is how big a consequence we think we’re preventing by fighting whatever Trump is currently trying to do. Nobody is saying, “Don’t fight Trump over this issue,” but he’s adamant in his refusal to understand that.
This is what I’ve been saying throughout this thread.
Don’t fight to stop Trump from getting to Step Five. Fight to stop Trump from getting to Step Two.
Because if you stop Trump from getting to Step Two, he will never get to Step Five.
But if you fight to stop Trump from getting to Step Five, even if you win, he still might get to Step Four.
If you think I’m making no sense in this thread, it’s because you’re not reading what I’m saying. Or you’re reading what I’m saying and then you try to find some hidden meaning behind it that isn’t there.
Noted already, you are not getting it yet.
Noted too, you are the one not making sense.
Because we need to convince other people.
And “We need to stop Trump and the Republicans because they’re illegally arresting people and they’re working on stealing the 2028 election” sounds a lot more credible than “We need to stop Trump and the Republicans before they kill all the Mexican people with nuclear bombs and invade Palestine.”
That is still nutpicking, not really convincing with this crowd. Learn to read the room too.
That would be a more plausible argument if there weren’t so many people in this thread who want to defend the genocide accusations.
Those come from what one can expect from history, and what is happening in Palestine with our taxes.
Now, as for the US, I already said that one has to stop the first steps, regardless if there is a genocide planned or not.
As long as we can all agree that DerTrihs is a deranged lunatic who shouldn’t be taken seriously, then I agree, it’s nutpicking.
The problem is when people say “That’s nutpicking” whenever you bring up DerTrihs, but then if you criticize DerTrihs’ idiocy in specific it turns out they actually agree with much of what he’s saying.
Precisely.
Well, Nemo, at least you have the active genocide cheerleaders on your side, so … Yay, I guess?
Not really, I never defended that bit about nuking Mexico. I think you are reaching a bit for some straw.