It’s OK to shoot a home incader to protect your family, therefore it’s OK to shoot a baby in the face. That’s what you sound like. You have no ability to grasp that the CONTEXT of a situation determines when force is appropriate and you’re acting like any use of force must either be Always Good or Always Bad.
Then your only option is to bomb the hospital. It’s the minimal use of force that will neutralize the enemy in the least amount of time and do the most to prevent the loss of American life.
The only people invoking supernatural entities in this war are Hamas.
And the world is a better place for us getting “dragged into” it, wouldn’t you agree?
Everything happening in Israel over the last 80 years is a pretty direct result of the Holocaust and WWII, which is what I mean by deferring problems. Jews were not a “problem” in any rational sense, and in no way responsible for WWII, but scapegoated and made a problem by the anti-semitic fascists. The immense collective suffering has shaped a lot of decisions and even now fuels the intensity of people’s reactions. It’s not going to be any different for any other victims of any other war.
But sure, keep telling yourself it was necessary to kill those people, to cause that trauma, that there’s no other way.
No dipshit, I’m trying to get it into your thick skull that you’re giving the justification that Trump will use when we nuke Iran, if you don’t want to carry that water put down the buckets.
You can’t send a drone with a missile and only destroy the top of the hospital? Or something similar that limits damage to the building? It’s OK Smapti, we all know what you really want isn’t to eliminate the actual threat it’s to destroy the building the threat is using, it not being a legitimate military target be damned.
BTW, that hospital in Chula Vista had an American soldier in it so it was a legitimate military target.
And you would have preferred that the rest of the world do WHAT in response to Hitler’s dreams of conquering Eurasia and committing genocide? Let him? Invite him over for tea and talk it over? Politely ask him not to invade?
You can’t defeat fascism with words and you can’t expect fascists to accept your “war doesn’t solve problems” mentality any more than you can convince a stampeding buffalo that it’s just wasting its time and should relax. The only thing fascists understand is power, and if you want to stop them, you have to be ready to fight.
I disagree, and I’m going to have to bow out of this back-and-forth because I can’t seem to get through to you, and you’re certainly not getting through to me.
“Bombing the hospital” and “shooting a missile at the roof of the hospital” are the same thing. We’re speaking colloquially here, not drafting a legal document. You’ve already defined both of them as “deliberately targeting civilians” anyway.
No, I fucking did not. And if you are going to continue to lie about my position I want a citation that specifically has me saying that and not you twisting my words.
My apologies. I appear to have confused you with Sylvanz.
You’re still splitting hairs. You can’t just “destroy the roof” of a hospital and have it still be usable. You’re still making it unusable and civilians are still going to die.
It’s more usable with out it’s top floors than it is after subjecting it to multiple air strikes and artillery barrages and then bringing in bulldozers to make sure the rubble is as close to dust as the Israelis scan make it isn’t it?
Ya know, the thing you are defending.
If that’s what it takes to keep it from being used as a staging area for REPEATED attacks, then that’s what has to be done. My hypothetical was a one-off. Israel doesn’t have the manpower to permanently occupy every large building in Gaza to stop Hamas from just bringing another missile battery to fire out of the hole where the roof used to be.
Exactly, and the US has no choice but to destroy civilian infrastructure, in violation of of laws we wrote, because it helps to maintain Iran’s unwillingness to totally surrender, if that’s what it takes.
They were attacking Israel, directly and by funding terrorists. Ya know, terrorism, the thing you keep pointing to to justify Israel’s actions in Gaza.
I’m not a engineer or anything, but if you violently remove a floor or two from the top of any building isn’t it possible there might be extensive structural damage? Wouldn’t you have to evacuate because the structure might fail at any time?