Content-free snark inaccurately representing what someone else said, in defense of a post without any substantive contribution on the topic being discussed? Clearly a post by Miller. At least my post had actual INFORMATION in it, not just baseless crap I spouted without any basis in fact. You might like to try that sometime, for a change of pace. And, at least I didn’t call you “Buttmunch,” a 5th grade insult if ever I heard one. My criticism of you was far from gratuitous; it was based on your completely fact-free post. You have a habit of making them and then coming back with nothing but empty snark when called on it. Eh, whatever. Just makes you look bad.
Any chance you might acknowledge that your assertion that the albino deer was “very sick” and thus not fit to live was untrue, based in no scientific fact?
Colibri, I’m not the one who made the protection laws for albinos, I’m just reporting them. I do find the woman in the OP’s cite braying about her prize albino kill, and how she has no room on her walls for more deer heads, kind of distasteful. YMMV, which is fine, but some people in this thread were saying that the OP had no valid viewpoint at all, and I don’t think that’s true.
Well I would object to it, especially if it were held up and celebrated, for pretty much the same reason: unusually poor taste, certainly no reason to take a bloody victory lap. While I’d take no pleasure in seeing a three-legged deer, as stated before, I fully admit that the value I find in such an unusual animal as this is subjective. I’d also argue that the hunter’s own account of the incident suggests she recognized the same quality and was acting out of a need to somehow possess the same kind of subjective value for herself, and not out of any concern for the population or species as a whole. Surely you can appreciate nature’s mistakes without feeling compelled to correct them.
That said, coming from you, all this gives me pause, and I appreciate your perspective.
Sure, I was wrong about the severity of the associated health problems of albinism. I’m sticking to my guns on “the species is better served by having it removed from the population,” though.
There’s a bit of history between Rubystreak and I. In context, it was an insult. I regret rising to the bait, though, as it certainly wouldn’t be obvious to an outside party, and I can definitly see how it made me look petty in this thread.
Better served? So that woman who trophy hunted that deer was doing it for the greater good of deer everywhere? I don’t think so, and I don’t think you’re right here either. Albinic animals do not necessarily have albinic offspring because it’s a recessive gene. If this animal could live long enough to have a 6 point rack, it must have been a physically decent speciment. I don’t see how killing it helped the species out. I’d like you to offer a cite or two to back up this assertion to which you are clinging.
In context, it was an accurate (IMO) criticism of your posting style at times, which made your outing in this thread not surprising to me. You can take it as an insult if you choose, because there is history between you and me. But let’s not hijack this thread. Offer some cites for your assertions or maybe rethinking posting without facts, eh?
No, I’m pretty sure that she was doing it because she thought it would make a nice trophy. I’m not talking about the hunter’s motivations, I’m talking about the overall effect of her actions.
In context, it was sour grapes because you’re still bitter about a goddamned Harry Potter thread. But you’re right, let’s not hijack this thread. Since you’re so desperate to pick a fight with me, go start a new pit thread already.
Humanity is part of nature. There is no dichotomy. Humans are exactly as natural as anything else in the world. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever unnatural about humanity. Anything that a human does is as natural as anything any other animal does.
While in general, albinisim is a defect, in this particular deer, it didn’t seem to have affected him negatively or harmed his survival.
How about coming up with your own proof? I don’t think Colibri was saying that the death of this specific deer helped out the species. You have no evidence that the deer species was “better served” by the killing of this buck. If you do, I’d like to see some. If there was no benefit to the species from this shooting, then all it was was a trophy kill.
Wow, you are a petty individual. This is your way of not hijacking this thread? Good job! Maybe I just have an issue with people who post shit with no cites, no proof, pulled out of thin air, acting like an expert on topics where they have no idea of what they’re talking about. The sum of your evidence is someone else’s post in this thread. Impressive.
I’d open a Pit thread about you, but contrary to your apparent beliefs, I don’t find you all that interesting or worth the effort.
OK, I’m on the side of “hunting’s fine by me” and I understand that an albino deer isn’t some sacred cow or something, biologically speaking. But I also agree with the OP and others in that I think the glee some hunters display over having killed is ugly.
The one thing really sticks in my craw about this whole thing, and I may be completely off in the weeds here, but if I remember my hunter safety training, if I was deer hunting, I would most definitely NOT pull the trigger at something WHITE, not unless I was close enough to know for damn sure it was a deer, not somebody’s goat or something. I know it seems pretty basic and scopes can be darn powerful, but it just seems to me that when it comes to firearms, as with determination of guilt in court, one should be beyond all reasonable doubt. An albino deer might cause reasonable doubt, IMHO.
(DISCLAIMER: I didn’t watch the clip in the OP’s link, as I hate and refuse to patronize any streaming video news articles; so the woman might have been 10 yards away and had a wildlife biologist along to verify the species for all I know. I know she said she was aware of an albino deer in the area, but I don’t necessarily think that should equate to “it’s OK to shoot at something white”.)
Have you looked at Field and Stream or even some of those more hard-core regional hunting and fishing magazines. It would be funny to have even one hunter holding the deers neck in its hands as tears run his (or her this case) cheeks. I am not sure if it would sell as well though.
In my (admittedly very redneck) hometown, the traditional when a hunter kills a deer , is to put the deer in the bed, as close to the back as possible, open the tailgate, drive around, and wait for people to flag you down so that they can hear the story. You can waste half a day like that with a good buck. Is that the tradition anywhere else?
I’d have said “a hunter slipping on deer shit and blowing her own head off”—but I guess we all appreciate the wonder of natural selection in our own way.
According to thesesites it’s illegal to hunt albino deer in Minnesota as well, so we may all hope that this fine upstanding law abiding huntress gets a nice stiff fine along with confiscation of her trophy–karma being a bitch, and all…
It’s interesting that a distinction is made between deer which are just coincidentally all white and true albinos–the difference being the lack of eye pigmentation in the true albinos, of course. Wonder why?
Well, let me ask you then, since you’re the expert on the subject, if this deer does pass on the albinism gene to one of its offspring, will it always be expressed in the relatively benign way it was expressed in the sire? Or is there the chance that it might be expressed as one of the more debilitating forms of albinism listed in your cite?
He did say he was agreeing with the my argument in general, and only took issue with me calling the deer “sick.” If I’ve misread him, I am (as always) open to correction.
So, you’re saying it’s petty to make a personal criticism of another poster, and then immediately follow it up with a disingenuous request to avoid hijacks? Because I don’t think I was quite the first person to do that in this thread. I think someone else might have slipped that same tactic into a post just ahead of mine.
And yet, here you are. Starting yet another fight we boring ol’ me. Funny, that. I wonder how you’d act if you thought I was worth the effort. I’d probably have to get a restraining order.
Dang, omit one modifier and your whole point goes to shit. I meant excessive glee, as in a twitchy face and psycho gleam in the eye kind of thing. Of course, a hunter is going to be gleeful at having shot a deer, for food and/or sport.
Oh, and yeah, in my hometown, during deer season, you’d often find a few trucks with dead deer in the back and a bunch of guys shooting the shit at the parking lot of the Tastee-Freez. Also, when somebody got a deer, they’d head to town early and would still have some beer left. In a dry county, this was key…Good times.
Can´t really get behind the OP about the deer, it was just a pale version of a non endangered species.
But on the spirit of the OP I´d like to forward tropical fish collectors. Fuck them with a bunch of stingray barbs. I went snorkeling around Koh PhiPhi a few months ago and browsing through a tropical fish identification guide, most of the most beautiful fish where marked as endangered by the aquarium trade. Hope you like your Ghost Pipefish in your office aquarium, asshole!, how many died to get that one alive all the way to Shanghai?, funny, you can hardly find one out on the wild now.
Sure you love them tropical fish, love them all the way to exintion.
I’m not an expert. I have a basic enough knowledge to know that what you were saying, that it was very sick and it was probably about to die, was false. It doesn’t take an expert to see that the deer in question was successful in surviving well into its adulthood. The fact that it has albinism and yet it still made it into prime breeding years would indicate that it’s probably more clever than the average buck. I can’t do a genetic analysis on it and know for sure what genes it could pass on to its offspring, but I’d say, its offspring can stand and fall on their own merits (and very likely already are, since that buck has probably spawned). The hunter was not trying to improve the herd by killing this buck, and it’s her attitude that’s being pitted here. I don’t think your “it was better for the species” angle justifies her attitude.
He was not speaking about this specific deer, which seems to have avoided the usual pitfalls of albinism for deer.
I’m snipping the rest of your post as irrelevant. Stay on topic or just stop replying to me if you can’t manage that, OK?
