And then some player gets a career ending injury on a meaningless play.
Those are weirdly precise fines. I wonder how it was decided that a late hit penalty was $10,609 rather than just $10,600. There must be some formula somewhere, maybe tied to inflation.
Here’s a page with a chart of fines for various infractions, as detailed in the CBA. They all rise 3% every year.
So when a team is down, say, 17-10, 10 seconds left in the first half, and they have the ball on their own 15 yard line, they should try a Hail Mary?
Gonna have to disagree here.
If that’s the reason why you’re not trying to win, then that’s a sign that the game is too dangerous, and shouldn’t be played at all.
I agree with you. A Hail Mary is a low-percentage play to start with, and even lower from deep in your own territory; I wouldn’t be surprised if the odds of something bad happening (an interception, or a strip-sack fumble) are even higher than the odds of a touchdown for the offense. If that play turns into a touchdown for the defense, it wouldn’t be “at least you tried!”, it’d be, “what the hell were you thinking?”
Coaches who choose such high-risk plays, when not absolutely necessary, tend to not be coaches for very long. Unorthodoxy is only tolerated in the NFL if it’s consistently successful.
Managing injuries is an important part of the game. Teams that ignore that aspect of the game do so at their peril.
Nobody has yet griped about the “call a timeout right before a field goal kick” tactic?! Icing the kicker just looks petty.
Quay was wrong, he acted like a child, he was punished. It’s a slow sports news cycle so if there is no controversy it has to be manufactured or at least fanned, that’s what bleached teeth tanned hairspray does for a living.
The silver lining here is, in summation, a NFL player slapped the hand of a grown map in public and didn’t get to play the rest of a game. Let’s compare that to some past stories of NFL players and the true face of violence.
He got ejected then fined. I’m okay with the punishment.
Yup, right. It shouldn’t be tolerated and it wasn’t the rookie needs an attitude adjustment. Even the most die hard Packer fans, like me, are asking amongst themselves if Quay is now a liability rather than a asset.
Right now his own mother is wondering the house yelling curses at the walls asking the lord why her child thinks a football team would pay $13,841,641 for a player to sit in the showers on game day for 4 years.
Agreed.
Unless it works, which it rarely does.
In fairness, however, ISTM that when a timeout is called very late, the kicker gets a ‘practice kick’ which he may or may not convert. And when he does miss the practice kick, he invariably makes the real kick. Rarely does he make the practice kick and then miss the real kick.
There are numbers here, and icing does seem to work, especially past the 33 yard line:
Mixpanel’s game theory: Does icing the kicker work? - Mixpanel.
This is from a 2016 article.
But the Garland article from 2011 linked to, there, seems to say that it doesn’t work. Wonder what the latest numbers suggest.
Here’s a more recent graph of icing in clutch situations:
Canadian culture is like right in between theirs and the brits. It’s odd. We get the ooooh boobies baaad (but show them after nine its ok) same with swearing (although its got more “racy” lately as they compete with streaming).
Violence is “a-ok” within limits. We’re like “america lite” for sports seriousness.
I’d wonder at crowd response. Does a mostly american or canadian crowd make a different level of “ooohhhh or boooo” vs “yay” in regards to the aforementioned plays above. I would actually be interested in finding out.
Kinda with Happy_Lendervedder here , very… well not shocked but definitely appalled that dancing gets more than violence or threats. Really weirded out actually.
And then there’s the exception.
MNF, packers Vikes, in a cold pouring rain. Game tied, Vikes just need a FG to win, seconds on the clock. Time out called, Vikes kicker made the “practice” kick,but missed the second. Game goes into OT, Pack win on the “Improbable Bobble”.
What a game!
But of course, it also is a big part of the reason 22 years later that coaches still try to ice the kicker.
But coaches only ice the kicker at the very end of a half, when their timeouts will no longer do them any good. Most often, it’s at the end of the game, when the outcome rests entirely on the kickers’ shoulders. So isn’t it likely that it’s actually the additional pressure – and not the icing – that causes percentages to be lower?
That could be. Correlation without causation and all that.
It’s a shitty practice regardless of whether “it works.”
You’ll get no argument from me.
But isn’t that exactly what is being measured against in that graph? Clutch Field Goals Iced vs Not Iced. I mean, there’s a control there. ETA: OK - I guess the info isn’t quite that specifically teased out: Iced (when they could have) vs Not Iced (when they could have) is not the only numbers there.