Mike Sherman, hypocrite extraordinaire

Remember kids, its ok if your player does it. I thought Sherman was bush league after the Bucs game antics. It was now confirmed after the Vikings game. What a bulbous puss-filled sack of shit this clown is. Guess what skippy- The first playoff game the Pack plays on the road, you lose.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/news/2002/12/09/vikes_pack_scuffle_ap/

From the link:

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After gaining 17 yards on a pass from Daunte Culpepper, Walsh took a knee at the Minnesota 43 with four seconds remaining.

Edwards teed off on Walsh, and the Vikings called timeout with one second left, giving Culpepper a chance for one long last pass.

** Vikings head coach Mike Tice argued that a player cannot be hit after he kneels. But Packers head coach Mike Sherman said Edwards was within his rights.

“The whistle hadn’t blown, and the officials had not said the play was over,” Sherman said. “Until the play is over, he had the football, he’s a viable threat with the football. So, I don’t see how he could have done it any other way.” ** bold added. Nice double standard, idiot.

Jim Daopoulos, the league’s supervisor of officials, said Monday that the whistle should have been blown the moment Walsh took a knee.

“Yes, we missed that one,” he said.

Daopoulos cited NFL Rule 7-4(a), which reads: “An official shall declare dead ball and the down ended when a player is out of bounds or declares himself down by falling to the ground and makes no effort to advance.”

If Edwards would have hit him after a whistle, the Vikings would have gained 15 yards on the personal foul and would have had the ball at the Green Bay 42 for the last-chance pass.

** Asked if Edwards should have just touched Walsh down, Sherman said no, because Edwards was trying to force a fumble. **

Sherman said Tice didn’t bring up the issue when the two spoke Monday about the postgame scuffle.

“Mike’s a good guy and felt terrible about how the game ended, as did I,” Sherman said. “And I don’t anticipate that to happen again.”

Tice said the fight brought shame on both teams.

“I don’t condone that type of thing, although I’m not a guy to back down from any challenge and don’t want my players to back down from a challenge, [but] there is a 60-minute time limit in the game,” Tice said.

“If you want to take care of those challenges during the 60-minute time limit, I have no problem with that, but after the game’s over, the game’s over and you go on your way and then you live to fight another day.”

The Vikings also were upset by the Packers’ blocks on Sharper’s return and said Green Bay players should be especially sensitive to such things after Warren Sapp’s blindside block away from the play Nov. 24 that ended Chad Clifton’s season.

Sherman said he admonished Sharper for his game-ending antics.

“What you should do on that play is just knock the ball down,” Sherman said. “But if you catch it, you fall down, the game’s over, we don’t risk injury, we don’t risk a turnover, which is really the only thing at that point that could lose the ballgame for you.”

Jim Kleinsasser started the brawl by shoving Marques Anderson. Hunter Goodwin and Matt Birk of the Vikings and Mike McKenzie, Rod Walker and Cletidus Hunt of the Packers, among others, joined the fracas.

Packers wide receiver Javon Walker ended up at the bottom of the pile and bruised his knee when somebody twisted his left leg.

**About 40 yards away, Favre crossed paths with Hovan.

Hovan said he “felt this shove on my shoulder and I looked over and I was about to say 'Great job, or ‘Great game, man.’”

But Favre was hop-skipping away, pointing at him and taunting him like a little kid on the playground, he said. ** Bolding for ** jarbabyj **

Hovan hollered back, shoved away security officials, ** was pelted with beer and tobacco juice ** on his way up the visitors’ tunnel and had some choice words for Favre afterward.

“To say there’s some bad blood between the teams might be an understatement,” Favre said. “I’ve always said football’s a tough sport. It’s not a nice man’s game.”

For Sherman and Farve, and the lovely drunken morons fans at the game, this :smack:'s for you.

Interesting comment from a three time MVP. You said it my man…not me.

And if anybody so much as touches old Bert Favor after he throws a pass they get called for roughing the pansy, er, quarterback

You know, Peyton Manning and Dan Marino to name two have faked spiking the ball into the ground to trick a team into giving up, thinking the play is over. What if Walsh took a knee, turned nonchalantly towards the huddle, and all of a sudden lateralled the ball to a teammate?

And his beef with Sapp was not so much for the hit, but because (1) Sapp gloated over Clifton’s crumpled body and (2) Clifton did in fact suffer a serious spinal injury as a result. Clifton also was not a ballcarrier and was on the complete opposite side of the field from the action.

Sorry, I don’t think he’s a hypocrite.

By rule, when the player takes a knee the play is over. The zebras blew the call.

Sapp was celebrating an interception, a victory, and a good clean hit. He did not know that Clifton was seriously injured.

The OP is correct. Sherman is a whiney, bitch-ass little hypocrite.

[hijack]The Vikings got completely fucking hosed by the zebras all game long. The phantom pass interference call on what would have been a game winning interception by the purple was the worst of it. Fucking zebras. :angry:[/hijack]

These players are so different from one another that you can’t call Sherman a hypocrite for supporting one and taking issue with the other. There are some similarites between them, but there are other major differences.

Sapp/Clifton play - Clifton was completly out of the play and had given up on it. Unless he could have somehow cut his 40 time in half or more, he had no chance to impact the play. Yet, Sapp chose to lay him out with a block that he wasn’t expecting and never saw comming. Legal? Yes. Clean? Maybe, maybe not.

Edwards/Walsh play - Walsh was the ball carrier here, and although he tried to take the knee, the refs blew the call and the play was still live. Of course you hit a guy with the ball as hard as you can to try to force a fumble. Edwards could have ended the game right there had he forced a fumble, he and Walsh both knew that. Legal? Yes. Clean? Yes. **Refs made a big mistake, not any of the players.

Like I said before, Sherman can’t be called a hypocrite because he stands by the Packers/Vikings play and still has a problem with the Bucks/Packers play. The 2 plays are far too different to make the comparison.

Meant plays, not players. These plays are so much different from one another…

Blunt is absolutely right.

Sincerely,

Tretiak, very, very, very, objective Packer fan.

You can’t force a fumble from a guy who is already on the ground. If his knee is down, the instant you touch him the play is dead, even if the whistle wasn’t blown (which it should’ve been).

Indeed

When are you people going to realize that professional football is a business perused by sociopathic, mesomorphic brutes and controlled by people who, for the most part, care no more for the integrity of the game than the people who ran Enron cared about the electrical grid in California. These people are not gentle giants. They are potential homicidal maniacs just teetering on the edge of madness. The play-by-play guys can sugar coat it all they want, the NFL can run all the ads in the world showing players visiting crippled children or being warm and friendly with sad faced waifs, but it is a game played by thugs. It is the only forum I know of (save politics) where a cheap shot artist can become a hero.

It’s fun to watch, though.

What if the ball carrier had cut back across the field? He was less than 40 yards away from Clifton, and could have been on that side of the field, with a few quick cuts, in 4 seconds or so, less, if Clifton ran towards him. Sapp made a hit that’s not at ALL out of line with what happens in the NFL on a regular basis. Clifton landed wrong, and hurt his hip. It sucks, but it happens. Sapp was just covering his ass on an admittedly unlikely occurance.

The refs blew the call, sure. But come on. The guy is on the ground, covering the ball. What are the odds that it gets knocked out, considering he was stationary, and presumably preparing for the hit for about 2 seconds before he got hit? Unlikely. Edwards could have just touched him down. To hit him was just hoping for a very unlikely possibility. It’s the SAME thing. Sapp was making a hit on the off chance that the play came back his way, and Edwards was making a hit on the off chance that the guy dropped the ball. Neither was going to happen, but both were perfectly legal hits.

For Sherman to bitch about one and not the other makes him a whiney, hypocritical, fuck.

Also, I’m curious as to why it’s not hypocritical for him to be FINE with Brett Favre taunting, but NOT fine with Sapp taunting.

interesting.

Umm…just a guess here, but maybe because Sapp was taunting (at least Sherman thought so) Chad Clifton who was lying on the ground with a crushed pelvis at the time (inflicted by said Mr Sapp)… and Brett Favre was taunting Hovan…who was just standing around being ugl?.

The play-by play guys are always hypocritical about Favre too. Why is it that when Favre takes a cheap shot or hits a guy out of bounds after a pick return, the announcers talk about his “fire” or how he’s a “linebacker in a quarterback’s body.”

OTOH if Warren Sapp was to cheap shot a guy out of bounds, then we would hear about how “there’s no place in the game for that stuff,” or how Sapp should be fined or suspended.

Fucking hypocrites.

Hmmm hanging around jar, huh?

Funny…because during the Vikings game they mentioned how Favre was fined $5K for that stunt…and they were not complimentary of the action.

Even during the game itself…the announcers talked about Favre losing his cool during that shove (and the Packers got a 15 yard penalty on top of that…damn guess the refs forgot to look the other way that time…)

And I’m just about 100% positive Sapp had no idea that guys pelvis was ‘crushed’.

Taunting is taunting. It should come with a penalty. I assume it’s alright for the fans to throw stuff at Hovan as well?

Hovan’s a dick, believe me, and he should also be punished.

He was lying on the ground in pain…a different scenario than Favre’s interaction with Hovan. Sapp said he wasn’t taunting Clifton but celebrating the interception. I actually believe Sapp. I’m just explaining why I think that Sherman reacted the way he initially did. (Sherman has since said he probably over reacted to the moment…but was concerned for Clifton).
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Well I see some sort of taunt after a hell of a lot of sacks…and from many cornerbacks after breaking up a pass. Do you really want to penalize every taunt?

Frankly yes. :smiley: I hate seeing guys do dances and giving high fives for doing their fucking jobs.

I don’t mind celebration in the endzone but cripes almighty, it’s getting to the point where every time someone gets a tackle, they’re launching into a broadway production. I also hate the ‘pushups after dropping a pass’ crap that makes the game fifty years longer.

Jarbabyj - crabby old lady

Hovan’s no dick. He is not a dirty player and has a ton of respect for Favre. he went to say congratulations and Bret started taunting HIM. Hovan shouldn’t have lost his cool, but it was a pretty classless thing for Favre to do after winning a game solely on the strength of a bogus PI call.

It was uncharacteristic for Hovan to lose it like that. he’s not that kind of player. He will pay his fine and apologize, I’m sure.

Yes I’m a Vikings fan.