There are quite a few AKC-recognized breeds whose official name has ‘dog’ tacked on the end. Including two mentioned in this thread, German Shepherd Dog and Portuguese Water Dog. If you didn’t use the correct abbreviation including the ‘dog’ at the end, people who didn’t understand it wouldn’t be able to search the terms. The breed club is the second google result for the abbreviation of both.
Others are the American Eskimo Dog, Australian Cattle Dog, Anatolian Shepherd Dog, Bernese Mountain Dog, and Canaan Dog. Now you know.
These breed names and abbreviations are the technically correct ones. I can’t imagine why you would feel it’s better to use incorrect, but more easily understood ones.
It’s perfectly reasonable to defend myself if I feel I am being attacked – given that I may very well come to harm if I pause to contemplate it while it’s going on. If a child’s exuberance is likely to be misinterpreted it’s the parent’s responsibility to keep both their children and their guests out of harm’s way. Even if that means confining their children to their rooms when guests come over (Og forbid); Or hell, just never invite anyone over. Problem solved.
Heh, works for me.
Well, no shit. If I walk into your house and your kid runs at me and puts me in a headlock, I’m not going to give a rat’s ass if he only did it because he thought it was “funny.” I’d be seriously PISSED OFF that you hadn’t taught your kids any manners; frankly I’d hold humans to a higher standard than dogs, given that it’s common knowledge that you never touch someone without their permission. Yes, I absolutely would push the kid the hell off me; I’m not particularly interested in letting someone hurt me no matter what their “excuse” is. I’d probably also turn around and walk right back out the door and never visit again.
If someone’s kids are that badly behaved, then they have epically failed as a parent. If someone’s dog is that badly behaved, put it in the crate. Or don’t have guests. It is absolutely the parent’s/owner’s responsibility.
That’s different - you were going to take the dog out because you didn’t know if it was friendly or not, but with the kid you are going to wait until it has actually attacked you.
You may feel that is common knowledge but it doesn’t seem that it is being taught to children any more often than no jumping is being taught to dogs.
Again, this is different. You are going to push the kid off of you after he has attacked you, but you are willing to inflict hurt on a dog that may be, for all you know, jumping up in friendship.
Sure it is! I just find it interesting that you are willing to lash out first and ask questions later.
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Spelling it Shepard is an extremely common misspelling among those who know less about dogs than they claim to. If you actually know how to spell Shepherd then no, I wasn’t pointing out a typo. However, since you didn’t know the whole name of the breed and claim to have never seen it, assuming you also didn’t know how to spell the name seemed obvious.
Oh, bullshit. A “friendly” headlock can hurt someone, and so can a “friendly” jump-up from a dog. I’ve already said this; the dog that attacked me was not being “aggressive,” it got excited and the owner just never bothered to train it that jumping up and biting people was forbidden behavior. As far as the dog was concerned, it was being “friendly,” however I’m not willing to get my arm bitten in “friendly” greeting (nor am I willing to wait and see if some other dog’s “friendliness” extends to snapping at my face while it’s up there). If some human or non-human creature is coming at me in a manner where I might get hurt, I will defend myself and push them off me with whatever amount of force is necessary to get the job done. Said creature’s intent doesn’t matter one whit – whether or not it could hurt me does.
If a dog owner doesn’t want me to do this, they have several options to make sure the dog doesn’t behave that way toward me, as I’ve already mentioned.
Well, this is kind of the point of the entire thread, isn’t it? Dog owners are failing at their fundamental responsibility to properly train their pet. It’s probably not a coincidence that you perceive that kids aren’t being trained properly, either.
You’ve missed or completely side-stepped the point. Which was that you are willing to wait until the child has actually attacked you before you react with violence, yet you are not willing to wait until a dog has actually attacked you before you react with violence. Apparently you feel that most dogs are going to hurt you, whether they mean it or not?
Despite the fact that my dogs would never jump on you, you wouldn’t need to worry about it since you wouldn’t be allowed in my house. I cannot imagine welcoming someone whose first reaction to the sight of a dog is to plan violence.
I don’t “perceive” that many kids have zero manners.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Because that’s not at all what I said. The hypothetical child in my example wasn’t “attacking” me either, he just thought it would be “funny”; but his intent doesn’t make his behavior appropriate, and is irrelevant to my response to being put in a position where I could get hurt. What I’ve said, repeatedly, is that if a dog jumps up on me, I will push it off. If that requires a little force, or a lot, so be it. You seem to be getting hung up on the word “attack” when the fact is that a friendly dog can hurt someone too (how many times do I have to bold this?). What I’ve said, repeatedly, is that the dog’s intent doesn’t matter, its behavior and my safety does. I’m not going to wait for a dog to bite my face, or bite my arm, or claw my chest, before I push it off. I am trying to prevent getting injured. If a dog is stubborn or strong and a push doesn’t work, or if it escalates to biting/clawing before I can get it off me, I will resort to harder pushing, ear twisting, or whatever it takes. If your dog is hurting me, I will protect myself before I worry about your dog.
If you don’t want me to push your dog off me, then make sure it doesn’t jump on me in the first place. That is your responsibility as a dog owner.
Kindly stop putting words in my mouth. If your dog stays on the floor, I won’t do a thing. If it leaves me alone, I leave it alone. I have never even implied that I “plan violence at the mere sight of a dog.” I like dogs. I play with my friends’ dogs when I visit. These dogs also don’t jump up on me (and they are very high-energy dogs – they just happen to be well-trained by responsible people).
Then I don’t understand why you’d say that a lot of kids don’t seem to get taught not to touch people without permission.
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Ah. I thought “runs at me and puts me in a headlock” sounded rather like an attack.
You used the word. Whether or not the dog (or child) is friendly came later, tho apparently you don’t wait to find out if the dog is friendly before you react.
But you will stand there and wait until a child puts you in a headlock?
It’s your responsibility as an adult (I assume) human to not over react just because you seem to think that any dog is likely to bite your face.
This does not jive with your " the dog’s intent doesn’t matter, its behavior and my safety does. I’m not going to wait for a dog to bite my face, or bite my arm, or claw my chest, before I push it off" above. How in the world can you play with a dog if you automatically fear being bitten simply because it jumps up?
You misunderstood - when I said I don’t “perceive” that many kids have zero manners, I was indicating that my stance that many kids have zero manners is far more than a perception.
Right, I’m “waiting” because somehow I should expect someone to run up to me and put me in a headlock, rather than being utterly shocked that someone would do such a completely inappropriate and ill-behaved thing. :rolleyes:
Sigh. Because my friends’ dogs don’t jump up, which I said, and I’m done repeating myself.
This is pretty old since I’ve been out of town, and I probably shouldn’t even bother, but I’m stoned on cold meds so -
The whole point I was making, which you have completely missed, is that you are perfectly willing to stand there and wait to see if a child is going to put you in that headlock, or whap you with the Tonka toy they are carrying, but you are prepared to commit violence if a dog merely touches you. Why don’t you just admit you are afraid of dogs?
(Uh, do you not know how to trim posts?)
Where you spelled it correctly was where you quoted me. Again, someone who doesn’t know that the full name includes the word Dog is also not likely to know that the second word of the breed name isn’t spelled like the ambulance company.