This fine piece by Max Bearak in the Washington Post today hammered home to me the escalating levels of incarcerations, with reports of torture; this isn’t “business as usual” for many of these nations, there’s an ugly tide that’s gaining momentum in these countries, all with far-right leaders in power. In Chechnya it’s been particularly despicable.
And then I think of Trump somehow miraculously vamoos-ing from the scene (preferably by means of accidentally slipping on a pool of his peeing miscueing), and then after we go “whew!” that that Orange Piece of Shit is gone, we’re looking at Pence, who is truly bonkers fucked-up homophobic.
Curious if there are folks here who would contend that this is just the same old - that it’s only now that it happens to be getting reported on, more.
Even if that would the case, high time, then, that light is being shed on this awfulness, but I’m inclined to think (despite my admitted lack of further cites to back me up) that this is, indeed, an alarming surge, as stated above.
These round’em trends can presage much scarier things.
This shit bothers me.
And that’s a major part of it - they aren’t doing their part:
from article, with my bolding:
Safe to say that the countries mentioned in the article have a large contingent of fundamentalists and bigots, and while that might not be anything new, it’s something those countries will need to address if this atrocity escalates. And if it does escalate, I don’t see them addressing the issue very effectively, and that things would get worse.
The article went on to mention Putin putting more or less a stop to these roundups so that it won’t appear that he has blood on his hands with the Olympics just around the corner.
Manoman - usually I dont have any probem with typos - but in the thread title? :smack:
They have freaking concentration camps for homosexuals in Chechnya where homosexuals are tortured, beaten and often killed and in Russia as a whole, it’s gotten particularly bad. In Iran and I believe North Korea it’s a death sentence…and they aren’t the only countries like this, either officially or unofficially. I certainly agree that this is pretty alarming and I’m surprised more hasn’t been said about this stuff. Yet this is about Trump and Pence? There is definitely a disconnect here…
Particularly since the OP seems to be focusing on (with the exception of Tanzania) calling out Muslim nations and regions – a somewhat Trumpian move in itself.
The persecution of gays is an alarming tragedy, but I think it’s unlikely there is a global surge in homophobia. More likely, gays are more visible in these countries and are raising the ire of the already-homophobic folks. Or, those homophobes see how gays are increasingly accepted in The West and want to make sure it “doesn’t happen here”.
Yeah, I feel icky defending him but the worst you can say about Lord Dampnut on the issue is he doesn’t care. And it’s a losing enough issue for him to not press home even if his base loves it. Then again, he feels the same way about MJ and that’s in danger due to the views of his subordinates, whom he won’t reign in because he doesn’t care. So if Pence starts to push behind the scenes for homophobic policies, His Orangeness might let him because he doesn’t care.
And western colonial rule for some of the rest. We tend to forget how earnestly colonial legislators 100-150 years ago believed that eradicating traditional acceptance of same-sex sexual activity in their colonies was a necessary part of “civilizing” them.
He might. I’m not going to defend him at all, but there are levels here. No matter what Trump and Pence or the rest of the Republicans might want or not want, what they CAN do is far more limited and it’s not comparable to what is actually happening in many other countries around the world.
I also think this boat has sailed in the US…Trump et al can’t put this genie back in the bottle, IMHO. I think the most they can do is try and stop the tides, and if they do so, again IMHO they will look like those people in the 50’s and 60’s turning firehoses or dogs on young black children trying to go to school.
Chechnya notwithstanding, the general global trend over the last decade (not just in the US but in most of Europe, Latin America and parts of east Asia) has been positive for LGBT rights.
I don’t think “far right” is a very meaningful term even in western & central Europe (where it’s commonly used as convenient journalistic shorthand for ‘ethnic nationalist’) but it’s especially meaningless when extended outside of western Europe, which is where all your examples come from. In Moldova the move against gay rights is happening under a far-left government, in Egypt it’s happening under a moderate government whose main goal seems to be to keep the Muslim Brotherhood out of power, Islamism doesn’t fit well into a left vs. right spectrum anyway, and in Africa in general politics is much less ideological today than it was during the Cold War.
Not about T + P.
Mentioned them simply for comparison.
:dubious: I was focusing on the countries in the article, and if it turns out that some of them are Muslim, then we’ll put that down to happenstance as opposed to “a somewhat Trumpian move” on my part.:rolleyes:
So posters on SDMB now know that LGBTQ’s are persecuted and killed in other countries. Do you have a Facebook page or even better, a gofundme page so people can donate money to your cause?
So what is your cause? You want LGBTQ’s to be treated like everyone else. I agree that killing people because they are LGBTQ should be against the law. I think it is against the law in the US, but I might be wrong.
Killing LGBTQ’s in other countries poses a problem. Some countries still stone women to death for being unescorted in public, or for being married to someone that just wants them dead.
So your rant is that you are living in a country that allows you to be openly LGBTQ and you know that other LGBTQ people in the world aren’t allowed the same opportunity.
So what are you going to do about it? Keep posting videos and links to web pages that document your concerns? I hope you aren’t too offended if I ignore your tirades. While I may agree that LGBTQ problems and prejudices exist, it really isn’t anywhere near the top of The World Problems I Would Like To Solve.
Is there any statistical evidence on the acceptance of homosexuality in the world as a whole? I do not want anecdotes. I do not want changes within a single country. I want statistics on the acceptance of homosexuality in the world as a whole. Some statistics seem to imply that it’s more accepted now than before. The number of countries where homosexuality is a crime dropped from 92 in 2006 to 17 in 2017. The number where same-sex marriage is legal rose over that period. Is there any evidence that homosexuality is less accepted over that time period in the world as a whole?:
I am reacting to the title of this thread. If you just give anecdotes or information about a single country, that doesn’t answer my question. If your view is that any homophobia anywhere is wrong, I have no problem with that. However, that is irrelevant to my question.
There is definitely a disconnect here…