That’s twisted.
This thread is more Froot Loops than pretzels.
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It means power which is greater than the head of government of a superpower, which you don’t believe exists.
I was smug. Now, not so much.
I don’t want to be smug anymore.
I would answer B because of iiandyiiii.
I would answer D because of everyone else in this thread.
Finally, someone who disagrees with me and who isn’t derisive and condescending!
How does war fit into your view that each individual is a power-unto-themself?
Why would the person at the top of the pyramid be totally impotent? I believe that this person would appear to be totally impotent.
That is such a cute and naïve idea. War is easy. War is the natural condition of Mankind. Read you r history, there have always been wars (and not just in an Orwellian “Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia” sense). Wars have been happening since the first time two neighbours realized they can cooperate and kill or drive away a third neighbour. As long as individuals are driven by jealousy, fear, vengeance, or greed there will be wars.
We are getting better. A hundred years ago, the European nations did not recognize the rights of native, brown-skinned people to even own the lands they lived upon. Read up on the Belgian Congo, or the American experience in the Philippines. If it were part of the Illuminati’s plan back then to allow such empires, why did they allow them all to collapse? Have the Illuminati’s goals changed that much in just the past century? Can you tell the difference between the achievement of a goal and simply recognizing a result?
Peace is difficult, but we seem to be learning how to achieve that. But there is nothing in history that requires anything more complex than groups of individuals trying to achieve personal goals.
Sigh. How did I know we weren’t going to get a simple one-letter answer out of you?
However, you seem to be saying that for most of the thread, you agree that the problem is that YOU are not communicating clearly, correct?
The Kiss Cam at a women’s basketball game is more powerful than Obama. Do the Illuminati control that?
I’ve heard that the illuminati were basically liberal atheists intent on bringing enlightenment values to the globe. Now that could be interpreted as suppressing as many people as possible with neoliberal globalisation for the benefit of an elite cabal, but I’m fairly sure it was misdirection in a similar thread. It always nudges people in just the wrong direction when one says “yes, I believe the illuminati exist and I agree with their goals”.
That’s what I asked/suggested on Page 2 or 3. If the Illuminati’s goals are subjugation and rule, they are incredibly fucking incompetent, as Humanity has steadily moved away from such things. It would seem that they either do not exist (most likely), or their goals are more enlightened than the CT advocates believe.
Given their name..
Michelle is more powerful than Barrack. Do the Illuminati control her?
Or does she control the Illuminati?!?
Sorry, didn’t read the whole thread, too much crazy for my tastes. In case this has already been cleared up, mea culpa, but it was recently revealed that Stuxnet was an American creation with Israeli help.
Correct.
As I suggested in post #724, so that the person who is above the Illuminati would appear to be totally impotent.
More like 192 governments trying to achieve national goals. What is the national goal of the United States? What is the national goal of Iran? Poland? Saudi Arabia? North Korea? Mali? Israel? Singapore? What is the international goal of the Illuminati?
**Kosmik **- am I correct in my understanding that you believe that a hierarchic order must be imposed on the masses from the top? If you do believe that, then you are wrong.
Our current system of nation-states evolved naturally from below. An individual’s loyalty and influence begins in the family group, extends to clans, tribes, sports franchises, and nations. Any individual can, at different times and in different ways, express his support of any group he identifies with. This support can often be contradictory, and the sum total of all the support given by all the individuals defines “national goals.”
The specific individual who leads a given group (family, clan, or nation) does so because of the will of those being led. There is no uber-authority designating who shall be leader and who shall be the followers. Obama is a very powerful man right now, but only because we the people allow and believe in the office he currently holds.
The political world is still run by our primitive, territorial monkey brains, just writ larger. Powerful individuals are powerful because they are pushed up from below, not because they are designated from above. There is no group of secret puppetmasters, and the public puppetmasters are only trying to manipulate minor things like the economy to enrich themselves.
No. The 192 heads of government would be an example of a coequal order. No one would suggest that the 192 heads of government must be imposed on the masses from the top. I’m suggesting that the Illuminati must be imposed on the 192 heads of government from the top.
Yes, and currently there are 192 of them.
How does Stalin and Hitler fit into that view?
Snugly.
Both the stalinist movement and the nazi movement were fairly popular – in fact, they were virtually the definition of “populist movement”.
I am unclear on one thing? How many countries are there?
Forgive me, but from readings of your earlier posts I was under the impression that you categorized the various world governments into a hierarchy of “powers”, with the single “superpower” on top. Was I misreading you?
Very well. An ambitious individual can use his influences to “game the system” and gain the support of the masses. This is often a metastable situation, corrected by the individual efforts of persons outside that leader’s direct influence (as in the case of Hitler) or by having their legacy and goals repudiated internally by rivals (as in the case of Stalin).
What is it about those two gentlemen which makes you feel they don’t fit the individual empowerment vision of history?
Oh! oh!
I’ve got a joke!
okay okay okay… What does a toe nail clipper and Phillip Seymore Hoffman have in common?
punchline:
The Illuminati!
Knock knock…