Bolding mine.
So the Pilsbury Dough Boy is the Illuminati?
“Talk to your doctor about Illuminati®. Side effects may include restricted arm movement and involuntary relocation. Your doctor may prescribe additional medications to help you adjust.”
At least we are keeping this discussion based on (1) facts and (2) speculation based on facts.
Humans exist, therefore one human must run the world. See, it all makes sense!
All this talk about whether 192 World Leaders could meet, and whether someone could have power greater, seems to me misses the point. There’s no evidence for the existence of the Illuminati. There’s no evidence for an organization with greater power than any (like the US or the UN) that’s existence is not a secret. It doesn’t matter whether such an organization could exist; there’s no reason to believe that it does exist.
So, then, what? How do they instruct these crime investigators and media reporters? Are there people inside the NYPD who, despite seemingly answering to their nominal superiors (police commissioner, mayor, etc), are actually loyal to the Illuminati? Or is it just at the highest level, that elected officials (who have no de facto superior and answer instead to the voters) who answer to them? How does this institution work? Do Mr. A, B, and C have public identities, or are they just invisible people that nobody outside of the Illuminati has heard of, except for their contacts?
So far, I’m not seeing any other means of control other than blackmail. Blackmail doesn’t work against people who have armies, private or otherwise. What’s to stop all these media types from reporting on the Illuminati, or the police officers from arresting them? What’s to stop Sarkozy from getting tired of Mr. A in Paris screwing him around, and sending the Foreign Legion to put him before a firing squad? What’s to have stopped Strauss-Kahn from hiring some thugs to bludgeon him to death? And if they tempted Diallo with money, where did they get it? Who is donating their private fortunes to this agency, or who is skimming off of public fortunes?
In order for this plan to work, you need people who can fulfill two conditions. First, they need to be aware of the Illuminati, aware of their utility to it, believe in their cause, and wish to serve it willingly. Second, they need some kind of authority or puissance that they received publically, from people who are not aware of the Illuminati and would not work for them - people like police commissioners, banking executives, politicians, generals, and the like. Who are these people?
If they stay up for more than 400 years, go to your shrink immediately.
Yeah, it’s possible to be diagnosed by a specialist in some disorder. I was diagnosed in this way with dyspraxia. I doubt the guy doing the tests would have been too impressed if I told him I thought the queen were some sort of lizard - he’d probably refer me back to my GP or a clinical therapist (after looking it up, it appears family therapy is successful in reducing relapse - my initial thoughts were that it’d be likely to induce either socially desirable responses or Capgras syndrome).
There are any number of possible explanations for this though. Khan could be collaborating with Sarkozy to distract the attention of the populace from more important events. Even better, the IMF are amoral scumbags (trilateral commission connection!) and Khan, being a rapist, thought that sowing dissension by alluding to a possible framing would be a method of arguing plausible deniability.
Actually, it is. The Secret Service does not let the president wander around on his own.
So they really can’t do anything underhanded. Big deal! They can keep a secret. (Maybe they know the exact 7-Eleven in Southwest Michigan where Elvis is working.)
They still cannot do anything to run the world by themselves, so the imaginary Illuminati can’t run the world through them.
Proving that you are still extremely ignorant of basic civics.
The president’s “executive privilege” only allows him (and some people working for him) to decline to answer a limited number of questions from Congress. It does not allow him to do anything.
Executive Orders only permit the president to set specific actions for people who have already been authorized by the laws of Congress to perform certain functions. He cannot use an Executive Order to violate any existing laws.
Beyond that, all the other 191 heads of state have similar constraints on their actions.
You are simply imagining nonsense scenarios to give free rein to your paranoid delusions, (or Alex Jones’s paranoid delusions).
To quote someone from earlier in the thread.
The doctor finishes reading the printed thread. He looks at Kozmik and his eyes are grave and perhaps a little sad. he depresses a barely perceptible switch. Kozmik feels a sharp prick in his spine which quickly goes numb. He cannot move his legs.
“You have the truth Kozmik. There are 192 governments in the world and behind them is the Illuminati and behind that is a man we dare not name. Please try to relax. I assure you the poison is quite painless, pleasant even. You will drift into a dreamless sleep…”
The next day the doctor is on the phone.
“Yes, master, the issue has been resolved. I have forwarded my report and the message board thread in question. Our agents at Google should have furnished you with the identities of the posters on the ‘Straight Dope Message Board.’ Fortunately the subject Kozmik was so cryptic and incoherent he was unable to convince anyone of the truth. If I may be bold sir, my advice is that no further action need be taken, other than ordinary surveillance…Thank you master. Your praise is truly the nourishment of your servants.”
The Director of the Secret Service has more power than the President of the United States. :dubious:
Your own investigation is heading in the right direction, Scholar Beardpig.
Now you might understand why I keep mentioning the highest (known) level - the 192 heads of government, elected officials like Barack Obama and François Hollande. The 192 heads of government have no de facto superior and answer instead to the people (of course, not all heads of government are elected and I use the phrase “answer to the people” loosely).
Some have public identities. Some are invisible. Some are semi-public.
With Diallo, it would be easy for them to have access to money. With Strauss-Khan, it was easy access to power. Strauss-Khan planned on becoming the next President of France. They knew that. It’s more like, what’s to stop them from hiring some thugs to bludgeon Strauss-Khan to death? As for Sarkozy sending out the Foreign Legion, the question is, what do heads of government fear? The media and the police arrest those in power and report on those in power, Strauss-Khan, Sarkozy. The Iluminati see the NYPD the same way that the US Secret Service see the NYPD, as a necessary nuisance. To them, the Chief of Police is the same as any police officer.
Some of these people are on this list.
Correct.
And we can only know that the infinitely more likely possibility is right if there were a closed G-192 summit.
Scissors beats paper. Rock beats scissors. Paper beats rock.
Which one is “above” the other two?
:rolleyes:
Only if you have a completely different understanding of any of the following words in that sentence:
- infinitely
- probability
- know
I’m not real good at the multiquotes, so I’m-a use this line metonymically to refer to the rest of your post.
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If I am ‘conducting an investigation,’ it is an investigation into your own mind; at no point do I believe that there is an entity called the Illuminati, or one that could be plausibly referred to as such, or that there is any ‘secret level’ of international correspondence, or that anybody just hands orders to the President. Do not take my casual curiosity into your beliefs as anything but rejection of the entirety of your premise and hypothesis, with prejudice.
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What is this obsession with the British Monarchy? You may as well accuse the House of Norodom, for all the influence it has in the world. And most of these people are rank nobodies.
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We have still not reached an answer to my actual question. You yadda-yadda’d the good parts. How does the Illuminati get all this power? Is it one giant spinning plate scheme, a kind of Abilene Paradox where every servant loathes the master and wants to betray him, but is afraid that the other servants will rush to the master’s aid? Or is there someone at the top with actual influence and power, outside of their commission in the Illuminati?
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Actually, the President of France has complete immunity to all criminal prosecutions during their term of office. It’s funny you should mention France, because their system is almost designed perfectly to foil something like this.
Let me walk you through a hypothetical situation…
It is a dark and stormy night, as Francoise Hollande, president of France, sits at his desk in the grand study at the Elysee Palace. Across the desk stands the mysterious Mr. A, the top Illuminati man in France.
“… and so, at precisely 6:33 PM, you are to flush the toilet in your private lavatory, and exactly 38 seconds later, pull the fire alarm…”
But it was all that he could stand! President Hollande put his fingers to his lips, and whistled. “Bertrand! Bertrand, get in here!” It was only moment before the President’s private bodyguard strode into the room.
“What can I do for you, mon President?” Francois Hollande gestured furiously towards the mysterious Mr. A.
“Beat this man senseless and arrest him. He’s a member of a terrorist organization that’s threatening the security of the Republic, and my own person.” Under ordinary circumstances, this order must be obeyed at once; French justice is such that the word of an eminent magnate - to say nothing of the President of the Republic! - is enough to render anyone guilty. But at this moment…
“I am sorry, mon President, but I cannot kill this man. For he is a member of the Illuminati, and I, too, am a member of the Illuminati, and am bound to defend him in service of our glorious (yet hidden) cause.” But Hollande is defiant.
“That puts you in a very clever bind, you know. Because if you fire a gun in here, my guards will swarm in and you’ll both swing by sunrise. And you can’t take my word that I’ll do what you want; now that I know you’re in with them, I’ll have you gotten rid of the second you leave this room. And even if you could kill me quietly, with a garrote or something, that doesn’t change the fact that this building is under round-the-clock security camera surveillance. You’d never be able to get out without being seen.”
So what happens next?
a) If everyone in the Palace is part of the cause, and all of them are willing to disobey their oaths and orders in service of the Illuminati… that’s a staggeringly difficult feat to assemble. How could the Illuminati compel and bind the hundreds of people they’d need to keep a president a prisoner in his own palace, without anyone letting it leak?
b) If Mr. A doesn’t have an ace up his sleeve - if he doesn’t have the ability to jail the President at will - then they’d have to rely on other means, like sneaky manipulations and bad press. But at the same time, the President now has Mr. A as his personal prisoner. Unless Mr. A’s got a cyanide tablet hidden up his ass or something, they’re going to put him under the thumbscrews until he tells them more - or perhaps they’ll just parade him on television to tell his story. And if any of these Illuminati assets stick their neck out to defend him, why, now the President knows who to pick up next. Pretty soon, he’ll have enough Illuminati toenails to make a life-sized sculpture of his own penis, testicles included.
c) But perhaps Mr. A was never there. Perhaps, instead, Mr. A conversed over the phone. But that just puts it down one level, it doesn’t change anything - if the President really is a prisoner, then somebody’s gotta be there jailing him - somebody who is, as we discussed, a card-carrying member. The problem doesn’t go away.
d) And for all this, any system that relies on unknowing or unwilling accomplices is vulnerable to mixed-up communications, false communications, and every sort of misery. If the Illuminati choose to take revenge on Hollande by publishing something in the paper saying that he molested a little girl, well, that means somebody at the newspaper company is a card-carrier. (It’s not enough to use anonymous blogs; you’d need somebody in a major newsroom.) Francois Hollande knows he didn’t do it, he’s going to find the guy who leaked the story and we’re back at Option B, with the toenails. If you think President touches up little girl is going to be a big story, wait until you see how well Reporter coerced into smear campaign does at the newsstands.
Kozmik, you should be happy that we’re demonstrating and proving how your fears aren’t true, that the monsters in the closet are really just shadows after all. The world is a better place than you imagine it to be.
Bearpig just the opposite is true. For someone with paranoid delusions the idea that nothing is controlled and the world is barely balanced chaos is much more frightening than it being led by a shadowy figure. At least someone is at the rudder. If I may be so bold, the same reason why we have religion. Koz just takes it to a different level.
How can one person be so incredibly ignorant about so many things, including the one thing he mainly obsesses about? I know some right-wing truckers that are completely paranoid and delusional when it comes to how this country is run but when it comes to trucks and how they run they know what the fuck they are talking about. Your “knowledge” about your obsession, the Illuminati, is so damn shallow and inaccurate that if you had spent all this time describing them as you have without actually naming them, nobody would know who you were taking about. If you are going to be a nutcase about something, try to learn a bit about it first, o.k.?
I think I said something on these lines about 17 pages ago. It’s fear that drives Kozmik, and more than that, it’s *lack *of imagination - he can’t visualize complex systems, so he invents simple ones.
Don’t mention the Spock-lizard variant or you’ll break his mind.
Why the fuck are you guys wasting your time trying to use facts and logic against some asshat who is going to believe whatever the hell he wants?
It’s our schtick. You know, all that “fighting ignorance” stuff.
and shit.
What happens when an electron meets a positron, Fluffy? Well, I’m glad you asked! Let me write down this equation, and we can work through it together…