Holy shit, Diamonds02 is the Illuminati!
As much as I would hate to seem to be putting my words in someone else’s mouth, our friend **Kozmik **appears to have started from a “what would convince you all of the Illuminati” brain-storming session, through a metaphorical description of one person being in an absolutely more powerful position than any other person, to arrive at the requirement of an actual, physical meeting of world leaders to illustrate this concept.
He seems to have invested quite a bit in this daydream, which would be (I am not afraid to admit) an amazing demonstration of the existence of the Illuminati, if only the world, people and our secret masters worked in a way that coincided with **Kozmik’s **rather naive fantasies.
This has been bothering me for several pages: what, really, is the difference between the fictional G-19 and the ministerial meetings the United Nations each year that are widely attended by heads of government?
The G-192 is made of pure liquid evil.
The UN, on the other hand, actually exists.
Because the UN is not attended by every head of every government, and lots of other people are there. Kozmik is proposing a meeting where the only people in attendance are the 192 heads of government and one Illuminatus. How they all communicate without translators has not been explained, but then again, neither has the fact that the UN often does little or nothing about major issues because the countries in it have such widely diverging interests that it can be impossible to get many of them to agree to anything- and when they agree on something, as noted, they often do nothing. Kozmik has been asked about this and issues related to it and keeps dodging the question so he can post more deluded bullshit about it’s possible because he’s getting secret messages in his Thomas’ English Muffins that say it’s sooth. Even after 20 pages, Kozmik, I get the sense you’re holding back on what you really think. I assume that’s because you understand everybody else would think it’s crazy. That’s why you’re arguing about plausibility rather than just stating your opinions on how the the Illuminati caused the world wars and the Civil War, right?
Kozmik, we’ve met at a Michigan Dopefest a few years ago. You were polite, intelligent and sociable from alls I remember.
Despite the jokes I made in this thread, even I have to admit these beliefs are somehow tied into your OCD. It couldn’t hurt for a psychiatric physician to take a deeper look.
Yes, there are things that are possible that we probably are unaware of as a general population, such as malevolent individuals and/or groups and governments conspiring against another group or government. We call them possible, because there’s nothing in the laws of physics or in the actual way the astoundingly complicated structure of human affairs on a global level can’t contradict.
Then, there’s “probability,” and “implausibility.” These can quantify the likelihood of “possibility”.
Then there’s “impossiblity,” the direct counter to “possibility.”
Probability would give you a ballpark, based on the known variables you factor in, of the likelihood something can occur (possibility).
Implausibility is a conclusion you draw from factoring your known variables and realizing there is either a contradiction that would outright up-end everything we understand about the deeply interconnected way a system works, or fail the rational or ostensible reality of real-world circumstances to the point it doesn’t go that extra step into total impossibility.
Now, I think most of the average, rational thinkers would rate the “possibility” of what you describe under “implausible.” That is, it’s so incredibly unlikely, it may as well be impossible, but since there’s nothing breaking the rules of global human affairs or the established laws of physics, they can’t honestly say with 100% certainty that it is in fact, “impossible.”
Then, of course, there would be some on the two ends of the bell curve that lay on the “probable” and “impossible” spectrum that might say, “Okay, I can see how this might be the case.” or “Totally and completely impossible, it just can’t happen, period.”
All that said, the rational you’ve tried to display, lies somewhere in-between “implausible” and “not-even-wrong.”
For all intents and purposes, it may as well be impossible, assuming there’s even a clear rationale or a point in there somewhere. So, if you’re now trying to get some posters here to admit it’s at least “possible,” that doesn’t mean all that much, and doesn’t help your position.
Just… Try to look at this whole thread objectively, if you can.
Actually, if you limited the game to people who are reading the thread at least twice a day, they’d certainly stay pretty drunk, but probably wouldn’t get as far as alcohol poisoning. It’s not a fast moving thread. It’s only people like me, who just read to catch up on the crazy, once every couple of days, who’re risking death by ‘192’ if we play. But, retroactively in your honor, I’ve only read this thread, and will continue to only read this thread, while I’ve been drinking. Cheers!
‘192’… Drink, dude! [del]Twice[/del] Three times for this post!
Justin Beiber? As in, some way to neutralize him?
My cat can kill both your hamsters. And will. She’s not declawed!
She has a Subprime Morgidj! She wants your pity. She wants to eat your rodents. She doesn’t want your ‘explanations’. Unless they justify her eating the hamsters… She’s not asking for much, here.
Schrodinger’s cat can both kill and not kill the hamsters.
Yet… The world will never know which, unless someone opens the box. If the Illuminati opens it first, the knowledge will remain hidden from the rest of humanity! Quick! Someone call Dan Brown!
Ahh, doesn’t matter. Even if Erwin Schrödinger had a cat, it’s long dead by now… quantum-triggered poison or not.
OK. You are officially not nuts–just incredibly stupid.
The president has more power and authority than anyone in the Secret Service. However, the president is not, (as you firmly seem to believe), a potentate of unlimited power and authority. He is bound by rules and laws, just as anyone else is.
In regard to one aspect of his life, the Secret Service has authority to overrule his desires for the purpose of protecting him.
With this example, it is clear that if you are not the stupidest poster currently posting, then you really are just trolling.
Was ElvisLives banned or did he just stop posting?
Kozmic,
Your entire argument is predicated on this one, critical factor:
To what power is the Illuminati (et al) as you’ve laid out upthread, beholden or unflinchingly loyal to? What is it that he/she/it has that commands absolute power and obedience, instead of being laughed at or overthrown?
And they would be protecting him by guarding the building where the meeting is behind held and making sure that no one but heads of government are allowed in. This has already been asked and answered here.
Money can be destroyed, power can be lost, one thing remains.
Take the theory to its logical extreme.
How would that theory apply to the G-192 summit?
Two Dopers actually got it!!
You literally wrote it better than I could myself.
In two sentences, Marley, you condense my entire argument. You aren’t condenscending anymore! 
Oh yes? I’m listening.
We all “get” your argument, Kozmik. We just think it’s bullshit.