I suppose once the major tobacco companies come up with a way to profit from an e cigarette, we will notice a change in opinion…e cigs are bad, bad business for tobacco companies, big pharma, etc…
e-cig smokers seem to think that since they aren’t smoking normal cigarettes that they can vape anywhere they want to and its just not true. The shit smells nasty for one. And it’s bad enough to know I’m breathing the exhaled air of the dirty tucker standing next to me at a concert but its 100x worse actually seeing his breath come out of his mouth and into my lungs. Fuck that.
Yeah. Putting up with someone’s vaping, if it’s unpleasant for me, isn’t my problem. He can go outside with the smokers. If that makes vaping less attractive, so he is more tempted just to smoke, again, not my problem.
Ditto.
Well…it’s kinda your problem. Fewer smokers == lower health care costs for you. Fewer butts in the street and in landfills. A healthier, more productive populace.
My understanding is that (fears of) public marijuana consumption is a part of that.
And there’s the fact that college kids are just kinda douchebags. While smelling someone’s Strawberry-Lemon Kool Ice Menthol Zap vapor is not as bad for a shitty morning hangover as, say, smelling someone’s morning dip juice–YES, IT’S BEEN 20 YEARS, FUCK YOU FOR ALMOST MAKING ME PUKE EVERY MONDAY MORNING IN HISTORY, BRENDAN–it’s still not necessarily pleasant.
If someone has theirs cranked up I get a sore throat pretty quickly. I was never a smoker, but for a decade worked in smokey bars full time. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest to find out in ten years these things aren’t safe.
Thanks, that’s an interesting data point. I haven’t spoken to many non-users about their reaction to second-hand vapor. Not being a dick here, but is it possible that your reaction is to the smell? Or even (and again, not trying to offend) psychosomatic?
I see them as choosing to saw off your foot rather than your entire leg.
So yeah, I guess they’re an improvement.
I think a closer analogy is choosing an unknown risk of losing a foot rather than a virtual guarantee of losing an entire leg. And both lungs. And heart.
I think your hate for smokers is fucking with your mind.
Okay, so maybe you can smell it. But to imply it’s such as pungent odor that’s it’s actually off-putting is laughable.
Hell, my cats don’t even notice. And their sense of smell is ten times greater than any human’s.
But lots and lots of used e-cigarette cartridges, with their own environmental hazards.
I don’t think we should be allowing unrestricted use of e-cigs before getting a more complete understanding of their health risks, and the effects of creating even more semi-permanent nicotine addicts exhaling various interesting substances into indoor air supplies for others to breathe.
E-cig advocates seem blissfully unaware that lots of these things are manufactured in China, a place not exactly known for quality control or keeping toxic adulterants out of products. It’s bad enough people happily puff away on these things - exposing others to their secondhand vapes is another matter entirely.
Well, fuck. You’re right. I don’t hang out with anyone who uses the “disposable” e-cigarettes or cartridges, only refillable tanks, so I have some blinders on there.
And people have every right to risk their own legs, hearts and lungs. They do not have the right to risk even the pinky toe of another person just so they don’t have to go out on a cold day.
I don’t hate smokers, but I do hate smoke. My eyes burn. My nose runs, I have trouble breathing, because if I take a deep breath, I start coughing. If I am in a room with lots of full ashtrays and no actual smoke, my skin on my arms and face will start to burn. I get minor contact dermatitis from undried tobacco leaves, and if I’m in a room full of them (Kentucky state fair, I get an itchy throat and watery eyes.
I have never been tested, but I’m pretty sure I’m allergic to tobacco plants. I am allergic to a lot of plants, angiosperms in particular, but also grass (the kind on the lawn), so it would follow that tobacco is just another plant I’m allergic to. Sometimes floral scented perfumes gag me.
I’m more worried about being allergic to the flavors in ecigs than being bothered by the nicotine, because the heat will make it disperse very effectively, but I also don’t want to get hopped up on other people’s nicotine.
Do some studies that assure me that won’t happen, and make the scents a little gentler, and then we can talk. Right now we have an unknown. As long as that is the case, I don’t think we really have a discussion.
I have no problem with vaping outside, and I’d maybe go so far as to say that restaurants with outdoor sections could allow vaping there. Also, places like zoos and theme parks could allow vaping in the general outdoor areas, but not in the buildings, or the lines, where people are crowded together.
In other words, I would be fine with people using them in some places cigarettes are banned, but still banning them indoors and in crowded places. I might even be OK with them in hotel rooms-- or at least with hotels having a floor of dedicated vape rooms, because it’s my experience that the smell doesn’t linger, like cigarette smoke. You can smell them when someone is actually using one, but once they stop, it dissipates almost immediately, as opposed to cigarette smoke, which is probably the third most clingy odor, after skunk spray, and tom cat pee.
No one has answered my question about fire hazards. How worried should Smokey the Bear be about vapes?
The jury is out on that one, but Smokey probably doesn’t have to worry.
AFAICT the only real fire hazard is in charging cheap batteries. While a legitimate concern, the numbers have so far been very low. As the market grows, there will be more batteries out there, of course, but also safer ones, so my guess is it will be a wash. Shitty batteries will always be a risk, whether used to heat ejuice or to power a laptop.
15-love for ecigs, then.
Regular cigs were banned in most theaters long before anyone knew anything about health risks, because theaters were fire traps. That’s probably why the example of “Yelling ‘FIRE’ in a crowded theater” has used a theater as an example, rather than, say, an office, or a factory, or a restaurant, or something.
No one, yet, knows what the effects of all of those chemicals will do, especially the ones that are used to make all of the flavors that aren’t in regular cigarettes. You wanna vape outside (maybe closer than the 50’ away that regular cigarette users need to be) fine. Inside, no way.
My AA group banned them same as combustible tobacco. It was the smokers that pushed the ban. Seems that seeing someone vaping was a trigger and had them jonesing for a smoke when it was normally no problem to make it through a meeting.
Well, nicotine isn’t harmful except in massive doses (something like the amount in 50 cigarettes at once), so unless they’re releasing something else as well, then yes, yes there is.
You could no more be harmed by “second hand nicotine” than by smelling someone’s beer.
You are fucked buddy. These things all smell like shitty car air fresheners or cough drops. Why does it need to be scented at all? Do you honestly think you would ever get vaped in the face and think to yourself “yum! That smells great! Like spicy cherry soda!”
I remember sitting at a concert with stadium style seating. This asswipe in front of me was vaping and I could literally watch his breath go into other peoples lungs. It was nauseating to see.