I won’t deny the woman her feelings. It’s a total personal decision that one should not take lightly and has to make peace with one way or the other.
I think what Sampiro and myself would be a bit peeved about is the lady’s statement “I decided to have an abortion because it was legal and easy to do.”
Instead of taking responsibility for her decision she started feeding the frenzy of blaming situation on the availability of the procedure.
You can’t blame others for your decisions just becuase they didn’t prevent you from making them.
And yet I refer to 'em as parasites until they go and get self-sustaining jobs. 
Seems an appropriate thread to link this article:
“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”: When the Anti-Choice Choose
Closer than cookies, yes, but scones and biscuits are two different breads.
Biscuits - even if you can’t be bothered with the truest form - are a quick bread worth adding to your repertoire. In the American South they are eaten three meals a day and go with anything - except perhaps Chinese food. Rolled biscuits are the true form, but drop biscuits can be made very quickly with flour, salt, milk, baking powder and crisco on those days when you have no bread in the house.
(I’ve met two women who placed one child for adoption and had an abortion in my life. Both of them regretted the adoption more - because there wasn’t closure. Small sample size, but I thought it was telling.)
I was fascinated by this video taken during the Libertyville abortion protests. A number of protestors were found not to have thought about what the consequences of abortion should be, if it were made illegal, but were clearly uncomfortable with following through on the kind of punishment that the slogan “abortion is murder” would lead to.
This suggests to me that whatever rhetoric they may use, they don’t really think abortion is the moral equivalent of murder.
That was … confusing and scary. People who have been working with the pro-life movement for two years who haven’t bothered to think through consequences of what they are asking for.
One of the signs of being mature is living with the consequences of your actions, whether it be having an abortion, being a single parent, or giving a child up for adoption. You don’t sit around crying about it and looking for sympathy for the rest of your life.
The woman in the OP sounds like the type of woman who would blame her child for ruining her life by making her a single mother, or becoming a rapid anti-adoptionist when she realized a woman just can’t give up a child for adoption and fade into the woodwork.
I wonder how many of those grandstanding, blubbering, hypocrites would agree that they should have to go to prison for having an abortion. No woman who’s ever chosen to have an abortion has any moral right to oppose its legality for others. I don’t share any sympathy for their remorse. They have nothing to be remorseful about. They did nothing wrong.
I don’t pit people who regret their abortions and want to warn others against doing it. Hindsight and other logical fallacies are part of the human condition. Having an abortion can be a traumatic experience, and women ought to be fully aware of this.
I do pit those who use such stories as examples of why others should be deprived of having the same choice (including the person telling the story, if it applies). So you now think your decision was a mistake… well, tough titty for you, but for many women it’s still their best option. Not a joyful or easy choice, but THEIRS not yours.
Besides, if your judgment of your own situation was so flawed 20 years ago, why should we believe that you’re now qualified to judge the best decision for others?
I note (not for the first time) that Sampiro’s thoughts on almost any subject are worth reading.
Sorry, y’all all look the same in this typeface.
They would be a lot like scones if scones had no sugar.
I’ve known two women and one man who lamented their abortions to the extent of doing the math and marking the approximate birthdays each year.
In each their cases, the terminated pregancy was the result of their first, big love affair in high school. Even if they hadn’t gotten pregnant, the guys would have broken the girls’ hearts in the natural course of events. The ghost babies were just symbols of all that might have been but was lost to a naive young person.
When Patricia Neal visited my college, a rude young woman in the audience asked her about her affair with (married) Gary Cooper. Ms. Neal handled it by observing the young woman’s youth and suggesting that she too might make some mistakes while she was young. Much of my admiration Patricia Neal earned that day was lost when I read that she’s addressed pro-life events with her own regrets at having aborted Gary Cooper’s baby.
Bottom line: it’s not about the fetus: it’s about the relationship that produced the pregancy; and bottom-lining that: answering to yourself for your own involvement that relationship.
You knew a man who had an abortion?
Last year, it was, I believe, the local conservative club here at my school filled our mall (commons, whatever you might call it) with white, wooden crosses. The number (don’t remember the number off-hand) was supposed to be the number of abortions over eight hours or, as they said, the number of babies that were killed while you slept. Disingenuity aside, it was an effective demonstration for their views. What got me, though, was a local woman who came onto campus for the display and mourned very publicly over every cross because of her regrets over her abortion a quarter century ago. I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if the woman was hired by the club to mourn and try to give their display more weight.
I’ll admit that my stances on abortion don’t make a lot of sense. I’m morally against abortion, because it seems like the kids ought to have a chance, but I also believe in the “ball of cells” theory (that’s what every biology class I ever took taught me). I also think that abortion should certainly be legal, if nothing else because I believe that if it is outlawed, it will only be forced into trailers in the woods with coathangers and the like. I don’t think anybody wants to see that.
So, to close this rambling post (maybe because I’m posting from a bio class), damn this woman. As the YouTube video pointed out, she and her ilk obviously have not thought out what they advocate. I’m sure she was very happy to have her abortion done in a clinic rather than in Uncle Jimbo’s trailer, poking around with a rusty hanger.
That approach has always backfired for me. About one in four pregnancies is aborted in this country. We choose not to really afford the schools we have. We have inadequate public health programs for the children who exist. There are enough couples wanting to adopt that there would be homes for these children for eighteen months, then the gap would close and we’d have more babies needing homes than potential parents.
Do some women regret having an abortion. I’m sure they do.
Is it normal to go around screaming that no women should have an abortion because some women regret having one? No.
I lived in the midst of the Baby M case, where Mary Beth Whitehead was screaming “Surrogacy should be outlawed because I had a bad experience with it.” Well, boo-fucking-hoo. Stop trying to tell people what they shouldn’t do because you don’t like it.
It won’t be like that. Last I heard, it would cost some $2000 for the equipment to do a safe underground abortion and anybody could be trained to perform the procedure. Illegal clinics would likely be swiftly set up by Pro-Choice activists, and while they were organizing these affairs they’ll likely have a few more things to talk about concerning how this country was run. The abortion ban would energize the Choice crowd, driving them to the ballots while leaving the Republicans without their most powerful wedge issue. The Pro-Life ends are much better served under the current system in which at least in some states a girl in trouble has to make a road trip to the one clinic for hundreds of klicks around, wade through screaming fanatics to get to the doctor whose life is under constant threat in order to get a safe abortion. Once it becomes illegal, it will become much easier to get an abortion.
That, I think, is why when the Republicans who ran on a pro-life platform had control of the white house, congress and the judiciary didn’t introduce an actual anti-abortion bill when it had the best chance of passing, but instead futzed around passing laws about stem cells and grandstanding over persistent vegitative states.
No, and I don’t personally care for the phrase “we’re pregnant,” but in the context of my post I didn’t think it necessary to add a bunch of extra words to explain the obvious.
I don’t know why you had to post that, Dio.
Because who gives a fuck how the man feels? Nothing happened to him. He “lost” nothing. Why is he “lamenting” a decision someone else made about her own body? What kind of a douchebag goes around grieving someone else’s bloodclot. What a pear shaped loser.
Being old ,I can remember what it was like before legal abortions. It was not unusual to hear of a young girl found dead from a botched one. People traveled to states that were less likely to prosecute someone seeking an abortion. It was part of the folk lore of our time. Stories of back alley abortions with cold nasty people performing them were common. Abortions still happened. If you had money and connections it was less hazardous. Abortions will still happen ,if the people who believe they have the right to determine the personal decisions in someone elses life win out. It will be back to back alleys and unsafe conditions. It will be people trying to avoid the police and the news. It will be ugly.