If he is trying to advance through the ranks of his company or in the industry then his best bet is sticking with where he is proving himself to be valuable. He already mentioned that business at his store has increased and continues to do so. I’m assuming that one day he’d either like to be an executive or own a franchise if he’s sticking through it and enduring all this shit.
If that’s true, then it makes sense. On a whim I googled the names of a couple of managers I used to work for and found that both of them were still managing pizza restaurants, some 20 years later. Neither of them spoke of wanting to continue doing it long-term back then, so I presume they had a change of heart at some point, or perhaps found that their résumé didn’t swing open the gates of opportunity quite as widely as expected.
The downside is that pretty much all of the gripes the OP complains of were true 20 years ago, and in all likelihood nothing’s going to change. Mark my words: in 20 years, Askthepizzaclone will jack his brain into SDMB-3D and bitch that the EthnoDroids in Municipal Flat Block 18A, Linear North barely tip him enough Bitcoins to cover the maintenance on his hovercar.
These screeds are fine as a pressure release valve for the OP or merely for our Pittish amusement, but as a manifesto for change they’re doomed to fail.
AskThePizzaGuy, it really seems like you’re trying way too hard to justify not only your life, your job, and your attitudes, but also your continued promulgation of the crappy stuff that happens to people in your situation.
Is the SDMB your new stress vent or something? Don’t you have video games, or porn, or a girlfriend/boyfriend you can vent to?
Seriously, you didn’t even bother to read the entirety of my reply to you with an objective approach. My replies weren’t tripe. I’ve been in your position, without the terrible crime (which you seem to pass off nonchalantly), and I moved on up. Yes you really can do whatever the fuck you want to do, and one thing I’ve learned is that most people in this world are doing exactly what they want to be doing. Facing the fears associated with changing one’s own situation is something people don’t want to do, and so they stay where they are.
So, stop whining when you’re obviously doing what you want to be doing. You want to be the hero on your sinking lifeboat. The guy staying behind on the Titanic with the hopes of being promoted to Captain once things turn around. Good luck with all that brah.
Can’t understand why you’d think so, or who you think I am trying to justify my life to. Not even sure what that means. Justify my life? My life just is. It requires no justification. 30 years ago my parents fucked. That’s my justification.
Justify my job? Only to those who asked why I still work there. The thread isn’t about that, but when asked, I answered that question. Didn’t have to really try either.
I don’t follow the comment about my attitude(s) either.
In case you didn’t know, several folks in the thread commented that they didn’t know X or Y about people in my situation. Threads like these, which pop up from time to time, and the aforementioned info site tipthepizzaguy.com, are justified because a delivery driver cannot clarify certain things at the door unless asked, or else they could get fired.
We can’t tell people that we make the same wage a waiter does, or that we don’t get to take the entire delivery fee. We can’t even tell them tipping is expected. Or even mention the tip, unless asked.
This is true throughout the company and likely of other chains. So these threads help inform people who care, and the people who don’t, will continue to be jackasses, and I can continue to think that this is all they are, because they’ve been told what the deal is already.
Pretty sure this is bullshit right here. You could probably cut and paste this part of the post in every thread in the Pit, and it would be just as meaningless in all those other threads.
This is the Pit, where people can rant and vent. I have started precisely one thread about this topic, so I’m not spamming or threadshitting.
I don’t know if you forgot to lube your butt plug this morning or what, but this kind of passive-aggressive dig at me just makes me giggle because of how weaksauce it is, and how foolish it is in this context especially.
Yeah I did, I just recognize crap when I read it.
If everyone in the country who had a job they didn’t like tried to quit and move away, there would be a problem. Numerous ones, actually. First, it’s not a bright idea to quit a job without lining up another one, because there are no guarantees you can find another one right away in a bad economy, or in a particular locale. Example being, the state in which I grew up, has not yet recovered from the recession and there are still no jobs up there. I have family and they cannot find work. As a result of their lack of money, and jobs near there, they have no ability to move.
No ability to do so, means your advice means jack to folks like that. There are millions of them across the country. Some folks are stuck in underwater mortgage situations, or as I mentioned before as a response to your tripe, some folks have elderly/frail, bedridden family members to take care of.
Sometimes people do not have the ability to move away even if they want to. And that means they are stuck where they are. That means you’re stuck with the industries and businesses that are looking for employees in your area. Sometimes there are no major industries or businesses in one’s area that you have the qualifications for, other than these shit jobs.
So, your one-size-fits-all naive optimistic no-think solution to the problem of people being stuck in shitty jobs is trite, useless non-advice which people would be better off not reading.
You think it never crossed their mind to move? When you have no cash whatsoever, nothing that is worth anything to sell at a pawn shop, no rich relatives, then moving becomes a little difficult. Most places require things like, you know, security deposit, first month’s rent, credit checks, and how about a pay stub that proves you’re employed somewhere. This is called real life for lots of people. I was there, and only recently have I gotten into a situation where my debts are paid, and I have any assets whatsoever in my bank account. That can take more than a year or so of stable employment. And stable employment isn’t the same thing as being employed. When your boss gives you 25 hours a week so he can save money on things like benefits, then you’re only technically employed. You still don’t make enough money to live.
All of this stuff is obvious. That’s why it’s absurd to post your brilliant solution, well why don’t all of you folks in shitty jobs just get up, grab that four thousand dollars that it would take to move, stay in hotels while looking for a permanent place to stay, and set up shop someplace in another city, find a job, and then pay all those expenses associated with moving in to a rental property. Yes, this solution works for everyone and it’s stupid that all the poor people in the land haven’t quit their jobs and moved away already.
That’s your advice. Empty, worthless, and naive.
Good for you. Did you know that other people have issues that perhaps you didn’t have, that would prevent them from doing what you did?
Come back when you have solutions for those people. Hell, write a self-help book, make some bucks. Because your easy and painfully obvious solutions don’t work for everyone and that’s why we roll our eyes at folks like you who offer them. Do you really think it didn’t occur to the folks trapped in an underwater mortgage, who got laid off at the only electronics company in town, and cannot afford to run away from their debts, and are stuck working in jobs that do not cover their expenses properly and are generally shitty jobs, did you ever wonder that quitting and moving away didn’t cross their minds, ever?
Sure it did. It just doesn’t work, because moving takes money. Not everyone has it. Some folks have a permanent anchor trapping them down, making them unable to set sail for the promised land.
So you may continue posting your brilliant insightful strategy of Quit-N-Move that worked so well for you. I will just take the liberty of laughing at it and pointing out how naive it is to sell that tripe to the poorest class in America.
There is no one quick fix that solves everything for this class, or else we’d all be millionaires like you by now.
Here’s some quick advice for you: Good advice takes careful thought. If you didn’t expend any, your advice sucked.
Good luck writing that self-help book, you’re clearly a natural. Every problem has a simple solution when you have a simple mind.
The specifics:
I’ve worked several different restaurant chains and I’m aware there are some huge pay-benefits differences. Example being, working at a pizza place that makes 20K a week is different from working at a sit-down restraurant that makes 20K a night. Their business is more complicated and they usually require experience to be hired just as management there, rather than being a promote from within.
Those places offer very generous pay and benefits packages, and I remember from working there, the RGM didn’t scrub dishes or clean toilets while he was earning those benefits. The most actual work my RGM at Applebee’s did was jump on the make line and bark orders at people. Trust me, I can do that and thensome. I can actually do everything in the restaurant without breaking a sweat.
It’s not worth it to work my way all the way up this particular ladder, but on this one, I can get valuable years of restaurant management experience and demonstrate that I’m reliable and good enough to promote more than once. That’s key.
Any asshole can be promoted to management. In a pinch, the guy who shows up and doesn’t cause trouble will do, if you’re stuck for managers. The real test is, did the guy wash out, or promote again. I’m going to be the latter. Armed with that, and some years of experience under the belt, I go shopping at a chain that offers serious benefits and rewards, and then I offer my services there.
The plan has worked for others in the past and is working for me now. Perhaps others have better plans or brilliant advice that has worked for them, but this works for me in my situation right now, and that’s why I’m doing it.
Side note to self-appointed captains of advice-giving:
This of course doesn’t work for everyone at my location because not all of them are qualified to be management. So those folks, often delivery drivers, are stuck dealing with the crap in the original post day after day, with no magic wand to fix it. They can always go work the drive thru at McDonald’s, with all the crap that goes on over there, or they can go work for Wal-Mart, which always thinks of the employee first. They have so many, many options, and all of them are shit. If only they had a fairy godmother who could grant them ten thousand dollars to transport their lives elsewhere. Some other place where they can choose between several great employers. Some place, perhaps, with a McDonald’s *and *a Wal-Mart. Then the world would be their oyster. Maybe they should just go to college!
All the poor people should just go to college. They should cash in those war bonds and go to college. That will solve all their problems!
The only problem is they’re already saddled with debt from… going to college. Getting a degree. And there being no jobs available to them in their field. And, lacking the means to go somewhere that has such a job.
DANG! If only someone had some trite meaningless fix-everything advice that would completely ignore reality, and if only they would post such advice, somewhere, say on an internets forum, which would boast a 100% success rate for one whole person, who is now an expert on giving advice to the masses as a result of their experience.
Quick! To the Goober-signal!
No, no, no! They need to START THEIR OWN BUSINESS! That’s it. They need to gather up all those loose $100 bills they have under the couch cushions and start a business! That’s just as realistic as moving, after all.
Oooh! Oooh!
I saw on the news that a lady started a 10 million dollar business selling clothes she found at Goodwill.
Poverty? Solved. 
Clearly all you poor people like these jobs or you’d *choose *to be millionaries. 
How many Peeps would it take to form an acceptable tip?
I’ll take one of these, along with the receipt, as long as it was purchased at a store within 5 miles of my house. I will then return it for a full refund in cash, which is the only acceptable method of tipping this particular delivery driver.
Seems a bit pricey to me, but the dollar to Peeps exchange rate is particularly bad for those of you who use Peeps as currency.
Haha holey peepoley! That’s a lot of peeps 
Yeah, and borrow money from your parents if you have to. I know it is embarrassing, but grow up and think about what is best in the long run!
As I understand it, there is definitely an opportunity there.
Pizzaguy, Pizzaguy…
The length of your posts, and your insistence on proving points that need not be proven, is what led me to make the comment about the SDMB being your new stress vent. You haven’t “vented” yet if you’re still going on about it, so either you got lots of shit to vent about that is bubbling underneath the “Tip me, jerkoff” stuff, or you’re trying way too hard to justify things.
Seriously.
My comments in my original reply certainly do not work for everyone. The motivationally challenged, the drug addicts, the perma-poor (read: no work ethic), these ones no amount of advice can help.
You on the other hand, it can help. To sum it up, deal with it and quit whining, or change your situation. One post, your original post, is “venting”, and it was funny, and appropriate for the Pit. This book you’ve been composing one post at a time, isn’t venting…it’s justification.
Or maybe you’re just alone for the first time in your life and have lots and lots of free time on your hands?
The person that could most benefit from your halfwitted patronizing advice is yourself.
I know, I know. Words hurt your brain. Perhaps a picture book would be a better thing for you to read instead of a forum filled with posts containing words. The length of my posts is not unique to this thread.
You should quit playing advice guru and amateur psychologist, particularly since you can’t be bothered to do any thinking before you speak.
I can’t fathom what nonsense was going on in your head when you wrote this.
Your criticism here seems to be that I’m making arguments and using reasoning to make my points, sometimes without being prompted to do so, but mainly in response to people asking me questions, which I then go ahead and answer.
If this is your criticism, then you’ve reached a level of dumb that is actually quite breathtaking.
I assure you, this takes very little effort on my part. For one, it takes me only a few minutes to compose any of these posts, because I type fast. One can tell just from the time stamps.
As for making cogent arguments, when you’re a smart person, they also require very little effort.
Again, your criticism seems to be that there are too many words on a text-based forum.
Are you actually this stupid, or are you trolling on purpose? I had been willing to accept the latter as being true, but the more you post, the more I’m worried that I’m making fun of the mentally handicapped.
Yes, people with underwater mortgages and sick relatives are simply not motivated to earn money. And every poor person is a drug addict.
Seems like according to you, everyone who posts in the Pit is whining, particularly if they write posts that are longer than yours and respond back to people who post in their thread. Clearly you have a dizzying intellect.
Thanks for your permission to post in the Pit.
More “whining” about the amount of words I type.
I know you struggle to find the keys on your keyboard, and type with one finger, and it takes you hours to post anything, time which you clearly don’t use to come up with anything worthwhile to say, but there are other folks out there in the great big blue marble who can type fast and think at the same time. I know these “book” length posts are very impressive to someone like you, and reading them is a daunting challenge.
I recommend Baby’s First Pop-up Book, perhaps this will get you more comfortable with the written word.
Not me! As someone who has worked retail/service for longer than you, I view this self-entitled f-wad as one of the reasons why retail/service is so disrespected.
A tip, a compliment, a pleasant experience . . . These are not things my customer owes me. They are things I am supposed to work hard to earn. They are a bonus, not a right!
Bullshit. Pleasant interactions with others ought to be the default setting. And paying people for the services you request from them should be the default setting, even when your failure to pay isn’t illegal.
So if I order a pizza, I owe:
- The cash value of the pizza to the company.
- A fair value for the delivery to the deliverer.
- Common human decency to everyone involved.
I am owed, of course, a tasty pizza, delivered in a timely fashion, and common human decency.
Great read, a few months back I accepted a pizza delivery job that I thought would be a great retirement job for me. I worked 4 days for a net loss of about $10.00 in gas. Most folks were nice but with the price of gas $1.00 tips don’t cut it.
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Bullshit. Pleasant interactions with others ought to be the default setting.
Yes. They should. My point is that, given this as a default, service workers such as I, should not expect a 20% gratuity for not being a*holes.
Might we actually be on the same side here?
You’re a fucking moron and you’re getting pwned in this thread. You’d do well to STFU.