I spent a week living with a racist birther

I had to spend a week out of town, and I had this old friend living nearby, who had visited me in NYC a few years ago, so I took him up on his offer to repay my hospitality. Apart from that one visit, when he and his wife stayed in my place for a few days, I hadn’t seen this guy in several decades–we had played ball together as adolescents, and he remembered every game we played, who got hits, who made great catches, etc. and I thought I’d enjoy reliving those days and seeing him again. We had a pretty good time when he visited.

But when I got to his place, he was a little more outspoken–my first night there, he had FOX NEWS on TV and he was talking back to the TV. Well, not exactly talking back. He was shouting, “Yeah, that’s right, you tell 'em,” to Bill O’Reilly, and during the commercials was assuring me that although he was a registered Democrat, he hated Obama, or “Odumbo” as he called him. He was a Kenyan, he was a Muslim, he was a socialist, he wasn’t really elected, he was stealing money from our paychecks. Thing was, I didn’t hide my own affinities, so I couldn’t understand why he kept saying things like “Anyone who’d vote for this idiot has to be a moron himself,” to which I couldn;t respond, because my only response would have been to wave my hand and remind him, “Um, hey, two-time Obama voter here—and I worked for him both times!” So I just kept my mouth shut, and heard my intelligence insulted and my integrity impugned for several nights running. It was pretty funny, actually, as soon as I figured out that I’d be better off letting him rant and not trying to change his mind or argue with him.

Funny thing was, he and his wife treated me very kindly otherwise. But every time they talked to me, I had to hold my tongue. Monday night, they had a seder, which they do every year, despite the fact that my friend, who was raised Jewish, had married a Catholic woman and had raised their kids Catholic. But this one night, he felt the need to prepare Jewish dishes and to recite Hebrew prayers over the food. (His wife prepared the food–I never had Jewish dishes prepared by a non-Jew before, and hope I never do again.) He muttered a little Hebrew, but mainly his Judiasm consisted of asssuring me that Obama was a threat to Israel’s security, on account of his belonging to the Muslim brotherhood, and priding himself on remembering the brocha over wine on Passover. (I can recite it, too, of course–I just choose not to.) He kept insisting that he was a proud Jew, though I have to think that raising his children Catholic must be some violation of Judiac law. It was a bizarre few days, all in all.

Heh. From what I’ve seen of those kinds of conspiracy theorists online, he’d meet more than a few who’d hate him for being a ‘Zionist’* even if they otherwise agree with him.

*(Oh, no, they’d never hate Jews. Hitler hated Jews. But Zionism isn’t a religion or ethnicity, see, and if everyone named Goldfarb or Levy happens to be a Zionist, well, ain’t it a funny old world anyway, right? And if the Zionists happen to be the ones who run all the banks, well, that’s just how the world is, isn’t it? It’s dog-whistle politics for dogs too dumb to chase their own tails.)

If his wife is not Jewish then under Jewish rules his kids aren’t Jewish, so it’s alright they’re being raised Catholic.

(Of course, there are those who don’t think a Jew should marry a Gentile, but let’s not bog down this thread too much)

Sounds very existential. I guess it is time to just remain ‘card friends’ [exchange birthday and holiday cards and an occasional chat on skype or something] I think pretty much everybody has someone they grew up with that has changed like that.

And I will have you know I make killer noodle kugel and a wicked good motzah brei. If you need to keep kosher I still have my vegan box - a cutting board, ladle, paring and chefs knives, a butane burner and a 1 gallon pot that have never had anything other than vegan minestrone made in it.:stuck_out_tongue:

Why didn’t you say that? Seriously, why didn’t you want to argue politics with him?

It was hopeless, and would have been an ugly few days. Seriously, he was outraged–OUTRAGED-- at the personal cost he was paying in health insurance because of Obamacare. But he’s a schoolteacher, so I’m pretty sure his health coverage is the same it’s always been, supplied by his union or whatever, and most of Obamacare hasn’t even gone into effect. He claimed it had already tripled, and he was being forced to pay health insurance for his youngest son, and I couldn’t see how either of those things was possibly due to Obamacare, but he was almost literally frothing at the mouth about his healthcare costs.

He knew perfectly well who I’d voted for, btw. He said things like, “You probably don’t agree with this. but…” before he went on a rant about Obama’s commitment to Sharia law. And I did contradict him one time, when he assured me that no one in college with Obama even knew him there, and why hasn;t he shown his college transcripts like Bush and Clinton had (!), by mentioning that I’d gone to the same college as Obama has (a few years apart) and I could send him copies of our alumni magazine with articles from his classmates specifically remembering his presence in classrooms. He just shut up, and continued ranting on a different topic.

Oh, I know his kids arent considered Jewish, but my point was that a Jew lecturing me on what a staunch believer in the Jewish God he was probably shouldn’t have married a Christian woman, should he?

My best friend moved to Yexas to care for her aging mother. I don’t know if it was Texas, or her very conservative, yet rather senile mother, but, the next time she came to visit, she had lost all perspective on many issues.
Several years ago she married a gay man to provide him insurance. They were very close friends. He had a long time boyfriend. And she was very supportive of their relationship.
Now, Her stance is that marriage is a strict union between a man and woman whose purpose is to produce children! I reminded her of “Joe,” but she just skipped over that “mistake.” Then I reminded her that I wasn’t able to bear more children, so, by her definition, I shouldn’t have married again. (She was my maid of honor) That changed the subject.

No matter what silly rant she started, I countered with logic. Her reaction was always, “But, this is different.”

We now exchange cards and call when there’s something on the newsthat might effect the other. (She called last night to ask if I lived near the Coupeville landslide.

Eh, guy was raised Jewish and wants to expose his kids to some of his family traditions. I don’t think that’s particularly weird. Happens in a lot of households.

But yea, people that can’t shut-up about their political opinions in places where its obviously going to cause social friction are obnoxious.

You do know not everything enjoys arguing, right?

Political arguments can be as ugly as those over religion or money.

My son married a nominal Catholic, the kids are raised without religion, but he likes to hold a seder every year. My DIL does a pretty good job of Jewish cooking, I must say. The trouble with Jewish food is that two days later, you are hungry again.

Is this an honest question or tongue in cheek?

I was thinking the same thing. This must be a joke. Because honestly, who wants to spend a few days arguing politics? Those views cannot be changed by arguments and honestly I have better things to do with my time.

Probably because he was sleeping under his roof and didn’t want to get into a fight.

Because it’s not nice to taunt the feeble-minded.

Because he doesn’t view arguing as a sport.

Actually, I enjoy arguing, probably too much so, but I was living in his house for a few days, and eating his food, and it seemed both ungracious and unnecessary to argue politics, especially when there was so much sports on TV to argue.

So you did argue.

<phew>

I heard people talking about pulling your SDMB membership for not being an argumentative prick given the golden opportunity presented to you IRL.

I think you’re good.

Why would I joke about that? I mean, I argue politics with my friends, I argue politics with my parents, I argue politics with my wife. It’s just politics. You’re *supposed *to argue about it.

Plus, if it starts getting ugly, people usually change the subject and are hesitant to raise it again. Which means that if **PRR **had had a good row the first day it was there, chances are his host wouldn’t have brought the subject up again. As it was, he saw **PRR’s **lack of argument as tacit consent.

I’m going to have to bookmark this thread as an example of someone asking me to be more argumentative. Just last week, I pissed Ed Zotti off by asking about SDMB policies (to the point where he threatened to ban me the next time I got on his nerves) and there have been threads over the years where I have been bombarded with sharply worded requests to just drop it already. This is a first for me, Alessan.

Ah. See, I never argue politics with anybody in real life, especially not my SO. I don’t argue much in real life or on the boards. Some of us actually don’t enjoy it, amazingly enough. It seems pointless and like wrestling with a pig to me…especially in the case of the OP.