Once again, expressing a desire to silence opposing viewpoints is not at all the same as acting on that desire by using violence.
All tolerant and open-minded people are non-violent hippies in your book? Find me someone who describes herself as a “non-violent hippie” and who engages in physical violence and I’ll agree that that person is a hypocrite. There is no evidence that Razishlyat falls in that category.
Your point is that some people who consider themselves left-wing condone violence? Do you think that this differs from what I said?
Milkman Dan, I recommend you try to engage in a more “grown-up” style of discussion if you intend to cough up the fifteen bucks to stay here. We don’t really go in for loud, unreasoned yelling.
I don’t see how this makes Razishlyat morally superior to the people with “SOT” stickers. So far as I can tell, they’ve done no physical harm to him/her or his/her property. They’re expressing their opinions. We’re allowed to do that, you know. But why is it okay for **Razishlyat ** to think they’re so awful for it and it’s okay for him to wish to silence them, but it’s not okay for them to (hypothetically) think the same way about Razishlyat’s opinions and wish to silence them.
I’m an atheist. I’m very passionate about my rights in a largely-religious country. But that doesn’t mean I want to see harm come to Christian churches. I don’t want to burn their Bibles. When I see someone with a Jesus Saves bumper-sticker, I don’t wish to rip it off, even though I may find it personally offensive. That’s something that person believes. Who am I to judge?
Remember now, no one has actually ever torn any stickers off Razishlyat’s car. Someone might, someone might not. But he/she is angry about something that may happen, not something that has. **Razishlyat ** is upset about the possibility of his opinions being destroyed. But then he turns around and expresses a wish to deface the opinions of others. I don’t understand why this is okay.
I personally support the troops by not wanting them to go die for no reason. Apparently, from what I’ve been hearing from the morons at work, my position does not qualify as “support”, and is in fact the opposite. I am therefore left to conclude that “I support our troops” is a code phrase among these people that means “I want our troops to go die in pointless wars”. I find that a touch unsettling. I hope none of these folks ever decide to “support” me. For what it’s worth, the one guy who vociferously defended me in that little debate was a National Guardsman who’d returned three months ago from service in Iraq. He didn’t seem to want that kind of “support” either.
Just my own two cents.
My point was that some of us (researchers, SUV drivers, non-vegans, logging companies) are more likely to be attacked by left-wing radicals. Your post implies that only right-wing radicals do the killing in this country and I was just offering examples of where this isn’t true.
I still have a discreet little flag in the rear window of my car. In the area where I live, where every other car is a truck and most have BUSH/CHENEY bumper stickers (the permanent ones) it was as much a matter of self preservsation as patriotism. I do have a patriotic feeling for my country, but I haven’t been happy with its leadership for some time. Nevertheless the flag stays. My tires are still inflated, thank you.
Killing? I wasn’t talking about murder, but now that you mention it, right-wing radicals have been responsible for many deaths in this country (abortion clinics, Oklahoma City, the death penalty, etc.), whereas left-wing radicals committing murder is something we haven’t experienced in a very long time. My post in no way implies what you said, since I explicitly stated that there are left-wing groups that believe that violence is a legitimate means of effecting social change. If you are too stupid to read the posts you respond to you have no business posting here.
For the record, I do not consider animal rights to be a left-wing cause at all. As a progressive, I am offended by the way animal rights activists try to latch on to progressive movements. If they ever gain enough power where they threaten my right to eat meat I will go after them. I wish they weren’t giving us real leftists a bad name.
furt, this is the Pit. Calling for cites really isn’t that clever.
Nicely put. Not that going whole hog and putting a real sticker on there does anything either. I do often think people do this just so they can lecture others about patriotism whenever the opportunity presents itself.
I’ve never seen anyone get so angry for absolutley no reason, I thought we were discussing something and then BAM out of the blue you attack me. A true sign of a weak mind. Please, stay out of the other forums, you’re a BBQ Pit type of guy.
Reread your quote or is your head too thick to understand something you yourself wrote?
Can’t get more straight-forward to that. Good day.
That’s funny: I’ve never heard of anyone’s propety being vandalized because of leftist propaganda thereon. Is there a rational reason to fear right-wing reaction?
Where I live, there are tons of yellow ribbon bumper stickers. There are also cars with anti-war slogans, anti-Bush slogans, Kerry/Edwards stickers, etc. I’ve even seen anti-Israel stickers. Everyone lives in peace - although they may not agree. Bush cars drive alonside Kerry cars.
This characterization of rightists by leftists as prone to violence bothers me. Last time I checked, it was leftists (of whatever intensity) who has violent, crass, rude, and offensive demonstrations.
WRS
I would so buy this bumper sticker!
Uh, what? :dubious:
Yeah, those demonstrations are every bit the moral equivalent of an unprovoked, unnecessary war. Lordy, lordy, how many tens of thousands of innocent people have been killed in anti-war demonstrations? When will the carnage end?
This is great. To all those on the loony left: Please continue to use the fact that you don’t like the war to justify acting like spoiled children having a temper tantrum. Make sure lots of people see you doing it. Get on the news. Do it more when there’s an election near.
And to those on the bloodthirsty right, you have your own opportunity to get your view across. Join www.protestwarrior.com and show the world that we are, in fact, a nation of trigger-happy yahoos!
I agree with you 100% on this.
“Support Our Troops” has basically been equated to “Support Bush & His War Games”. There is a certain smugness with this whole yellow-ribbon craze.
My message to them, why are you sitting in your safe homes and cars and not over there risking YOUR lives to fight in this war you “support”? If that’s what you mean by “support”, go enlist - they’re begging for people right now. With all the people who “support” (by the flooding of these yellow ribbon magnets), there should be no issues with shortages of soldiers.
These people fall in one of two (or both) categories:
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yeah, me too.!
Well, except it might, you know, ruin my paint job or something.
Yeah, well, there is not too much call for people of my age, gender and state of physical (dis)ability. So I just support groups that provide material things of aid and comfort to our people over there. And I work and pay my taxes. That o.k. with you? Or am I still a hypocrite? BTW, I don’t have a mag ribbon on my car, I have a bumper sticker for AnySoldier.com
Now you’re confusing things with logic, and you know that will never do! 