Dreams are glimpses into the spiritual, and they are given by God many times in scriptures, along with visions (which may be though of as hallucination).
Why does it matter how it works? God determines what you will see, He decides. If He wants you to see your relatives, He did it because it’s what you personally need regardless of what another person needs/gets.
Also who told you you (we) will get to meet relatives. You may meet Jesus, you may meet Buddha, perhaps Satan. God determines exactly what you need at that time for your ultimate good. Either way it’s up to Him and Him alone.
It is unlikely my relatives will meet me in Heaven, because I, based on my experience, won’t be there for them to see. Unless the appearance of one’s relatives in the afterlife is all a hallucination, that is.
I read this book where this women went to hell, she said she was in this beautiful field with all these multicolored flowers and at perfect peace and bright lights everywhere.
Her past family members came to her and were all young and perfect. They hugged her and kissed her.
Then after a few seconds, it all dissipated and she was in hell and then her family members transformed into these grotesque creatures that stunk and began to yell at her in this vile language. She had been tricked into thinking she was in a perfect afterlife.
If they don’t go immediately to heaven and see angels, then I believe they are being tricked that they are going to a beautiful peaceful place, so this makes them think that even when they come back to life, they can expect to go to this place when they die. But it’s a lie. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Some go into darkness or a dark cave before they see a beautiful light. That’s a clue they have gone to hell.
With so many people dying and being brought back with modern medical science, if they went to hell and saw it, then they would lose their free will. If Satan wants them when they die, then of course he would trick them the first time they go there to hell.
Very scary indeed.
And where did you acquire this information?
A Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary K Baxter.
And you believe it because she said so?
In my experiences with death / occasionally reversing death my conclusion is there is no after life. When you’re dead that is it, lights out game over.
All these claims are most likely what people saw during states of hypoxia. If they even remember anything from said experience. My experience has been people have no clue they have actually died if they are brought back to a functioning state. If you chose to tell them, they look startled. Seriously…
Mary K Baxter claims she left her body and went to hell, and it was several times. She does not claim to have died and I believe her. It’s call faith.
You can find thousands of unverified accounts of people that claim they have divine knowledge. Why do you believe this one in particular?
You think that are bodies are alive without some force keeping us in this state? Even doctors believe there is a source of some energy in the brain that they say is the soul.
No doctor ever told me that. BTW, that “energy” that runs the brain is called electricity. Do you believe that the ghosts of D cell batteries are floating around and haunting dead boom boxes?
Do you believe every story anyone tells of having a supernatural experience? If not, how do you distinguish between those that you believe, and those that you disbelieve?
Likewise, ajb867’s experience holds no weight either, right?
No, I don’t. And there is no medical consensus on existence of the soul, or where it would be if there was one (the cerebral cortex? the pineal gland? the tip of your little finger?).
Of course you can find doctors somewhere that believe practically anything.
I don’t think there’s any evidence whatsoever that the the experiences of those who have “died” clinically are anything more than “dream states”–i.e. the brain itself and not anything beyond this world.
I’ve personally resuscitated dozens of clinically dead people over the years; dead for anything from a few seconds to a few minutes (beyond that, they are really truly dead, unless they are fortunate enough to be acutely hypothermic). I never got a decent “beyond” story out of any of 'em. Certain types of anesthesia cool the patient down to a complete absence of neurologic activity–those people don’t usually have great stories either.
I think the “beyond” stories tend to occur in suggestible people with good imaginations, possibly precipitated by chemical events such as the release of endorphins associated with traumatic events. If there is a life beyond, surely whoever is in charge of it doesn’t give peeks to people who ain’t gonna stay dead.
(I’m defining “dead” as absent perfusion to the brain profound enough to produce a state of absolute unconsciousness to the level of absent brainstem reflexes with permanent absence of brain electrical activity unavoidable without medical intervention.)
It’s also called willful self delusion. “Faith” is just an admission that what you believe is baseless and worthless.
Vitalism? How 19th century. Humans and everything else alive are stupendously complex naturally evolved machines; we run on chemistry and electricity, not magic. You might as well claim that a car requires “some force” to keep running instead of gasoline.
Kinda ironic how I posted in this thread and tonight at work had a cardiac arrest. This person was dead for some time though and had no intentions of having a near death experience.
Intuition had me marvel at the kindness extended by the creator in customizing the experience least frightening/best for the indivigual. That’s how I understand the variations. Of course the sceptic will say that the psyce has created it’s own acceptable scenerio. [COLOR=“royalblue”]
[COLOR=“blue”][COLOR=“RoyalBlue”][/COLOR][/COLOR]There is no explaination for the what those without life signs report as far as conversations and events in other areas of the hospital. All see their body and the distress of those around them. They think clearly and rationally, This is unlike a dream state in that way. All is directed in a way in which they are thinking clearly about what is happening.
One commonality is the feeling that the deceased feels more alive and awake than ever before. Not all go to Heaven. There were Hell experiences also. All changed their lives. many were not religious or believers, yet what and who they saw was undeniable to them. Most of those interviewed are professional credible people. Jesus said that there are many mansions in his father’s kingdom. Whether you are met in a garden or the stairs or find yourself at the city of light often discribed, all is so amazing and so wonderful. Life is a miracle. If it goes on, all is well–better than good. It’s seems it can be so. . . a terrifing thought for many to be sure![/COLOR]
There is reliable evidence that Ketamine, administered properly, can induce the exact same type of experiences reported in NDE’s. Since we understand that Ketamine acts as a blocker for certain essential chemical reactions in the brain, and can reproduce this state at will in the lab, why exactly should we assume a mystical rather than biological reason for NDE’s?