I didn’t look through every single photo, did they have any old ladies with a mustache?
It’s a peculiar thing, the body hair obsession, as it brings up a lot of nature vs. nurture questions about what we find attractive. I mean, female gorillas are pretty damn hairy, and I doubt that’s ever deterred a male gorilla who wanted to mate with one. Yet most of us, including myself, find the natural body hair of many (yet not all) h. sapiens disagreeable and possibly even repulsive. That has to be conditioned, as it wouldn’t make any sense otherwise.
Although it’s also strange how much natural variation there is in humans vs. other primates. The fact that we have so much less than the rest probably suggests we’ve been evolutionarily selecting for less and less body hair (in both sexes) for quite some time now.
No shit.
Excuse me? For science? Can you explain what that means?
Yes, at the point where the hair end rises above skin level.
I prefer a man who shaves his face and I’m happy to shave legs and underarms in return. And should that man get a little busy/tired/lazy, I understand skipping a few days and accumulating stubble. I expect and require a man who is dating me to exhibit that same understanding.
I cannot stand when men say, “ew, gross!” to a woman with armpit hair/leg hair. I hate it. It’s so little boyish. Lift your arms, take a look - oh look at that. You have armpit hair! So, if it’s so gross, why do you let it grow right there on your body? Are you saying that you’re gross? If so, I feel bad for you.
My mother was born in England and she didn’t shave until she was 18, so she thought it was fine if I waited. It took her next door neighbor to convince her to let me shave my legs when I was thirteen, but by then the teasing and mocking of my classmates had done its damage. So when Ivygirl asked at ten or eleven, I immediately took her to the store and got her a razor and showed her how to do it.
I feel cleaner when I shave my underarms and sexier when I shave my legs. There was a point during the chemo when I had no hair ANYWHERE (I even lost my nose hair. They don’t tell you that part) and Ivylad did enjoy the novelty.
Rigamarole:
Is this really so hard to understand? Amongst gorillas, relative hairlessness is not an essentially feminine trait. Amongst humans, it is. Heterosexual males are (for the most part) attracted to feminine qualities, which in humans means less hairy skin. That’s not a feminine quality in a gorilla.
Unshaven those ladies may be, but they’re certainly not untrimmed.
It absolutely is conditioned. Go to a place where women cook over low fires (where the heat inhibits hair growth), and there is a good chance that they will find leg hair to be an attractive display of prosperity.
Many of our signs of female beauty are basically things that signal “I have a lot of leisure time and/or do not engage in manual labor”. This is why farming societies find tan skin repulsive, while places full of office workers admire a tan.
I wouldn’t have a problem with armpit hair on a woman, but leg hair just doesn’t look right to me.
Yeah, I know a lot of that is social conditioning, but I’ve had >60 years of it. It’s not gonna wear off overnight.
Did you even look at the linked article? Do you realize that adult women do, in fact, grow hair?
Always did like girl hairs.
Sorry, I will never think that looks good. They look like apes.
I don’t even like hair on a man’s body, let alone a women’s
He said “less hair”. I’m willing to bet that, on average, the unshaven average human female body has less hair than the average human male body. He’s saying that that relative lack of body hair is a feminine trait and therefore we correlate less body hair with being more feminine.
I’ve never had the slightest problem if a woman didn’t shave. It has zero effect on how attractive they are.
I would edit that response to say “amongst some humans, mostly first world, and certainly not all of those” and “Some, mostly first world, and certainly not all of those heterosexual males are (for the most part ]) attracted to feminine qualities, which in **some human societies, mostly first world, and certainly not all of those ** means less hairy skin.”
Beyond those qualifiers it is a whole different world.
My issue with these kinds of things is that it’s trying to impose on other people what they should or shouldn’t find attractive. By all means, if a woman doesn’t want to shave, she shouldn’t feel compelled to, and if she wants to, she shouldn’t be compelled not to. As a man, I’ll find women attractive because I do or not because I don’t, and perhaps in some cases that may be because of, or in spite of, what she does with her body hair. Hell, these days I’m seeing more and more men removing body hair, too. Some women like it, some don’t.
And, sure, it’s natural, but not everything that is natural is attractive, and this whole idea that natural is necessarily better. There’s a TON of beauty related things people do that isn’t natural. Aside from body hair removal, it’s not natural to wear make-up, exfoliate, remove callouses, weight-train, etc. and yet countless people of both sexes do those things for beauty. Hell, even some of the clothes we wear are unnatural to the point of potentially causing problems like skinny jeans or bras.
Personally, I generally prefer most body hair removed, but it’s not something I’m going to fret about, particularly if she doesn’t want to worry about it when no one else is going to see, like in the winter. And, hell, I think most guys who are in decent shape would look better with less body hair too. If I were dating someone who really liked that, I don’t think I’d have the time to maintain it, but I’d certainly be willing to do some of that if she liked it.
I don’t see what the big deal is, or why people have to be so rude about something so innocuous as hair, particularly on complete strangers (this also applies to people that condemn shaving/waxing). How much and where hair is removed is a shifting societal trend that seems to be slowly trending back towards acceptance of hair growth. It’ll probably shift back to some other point in the spectrum after that. Partner up with people that embrace the same trend as you and be happy.
I find shaved legs and armpits weirdly artificial. It’s kind of like seeing a magazine cover where a model has been so airbrushed and edited that it’s like looking at a mannequin and not a human being. It’s not in “uncanny valley” territory, but it can come close.
That said, I don’t like super hairy women (where “super hairy” is roughly defined as “more hairy than I am”) and I especially don’t like facial hair on women. But I don’t see the big deal about shaving legs and armpits.
Men have penises as well, but most men don’t find them attractive on women. That doesn’t mean that those men think their own body is gross.
I acknowledge all of the above.
I find a subtle difference to be more tantalizing and appetizing than the overdone gilding of the lily. The physiological differences between the sexes that actually exist are quite adequate; their exaggeration doesn’t attract me and often repels me as grotesque and creepy. (Women more often express this general sentiment, in my experience —saying that they don’t find males attractive when some aspect of their appearance shrieks “trying too hard”, spending too much time trying to render their look as “masculine” or underlining the fact of their maleness. Anyway, I get that same reaction when women do it, when they’re so deliciously cute just being their effortlessly female selves).
Then there’s hair stubble. And the red rash that comes from razor burn. And although I am absolutely not saying that other people who are pleased by the appearance of hairless females are somehow into prepubescent girls, that appearance does have that resonation for me. It doesn’t look adult.
The leg hair doesn’t actively attract me but it certainly doesn’t repel me as unfemale or something. Same with facial hairs. Armpit and pube hairs on the other hand are affirmatively cute and their absence a bit disconcerting and offputting. IMHO. Stricly MHO. I’m only prescriptive about the wrongness of hairlessness being a pushy standard, shaving being made compulsory, etc., don’t mean to be telling people that my tastes are objectifly more correct or anything. But yeah the “remove your bodyhair” thing has indeed been obligatory with nasty “eww that’s disgusting” reactions directed towards those who don’t conform for far too long and I’d like to see the aesthetic compass needle shift away from that.
As a vague preference I prefer women with less hair. But these women are still beautiful. If my wife or girlfriend wanted to stop shaving I would get used to it. Fortunately they find their own body hair more repulsive than I do. Which is “not repulsive at all, but still kind of weird because it’s not what I’m used to”. Pubes weird me out a lot less than leg and armpit hair for some reason. And yes, I trim my own body hair because it’s easier to keep clean than tangles of smelly body fro everywhere.