Do you find eating pleasurable? Did you before you changed your eating habits?
Do you eat and enjoy vegetables?
Do you find your job stressful?
What do you do to relieve stress?
Do you drink coffee or consume caffeine in any form?
How much do you exercise?
What other activities do you enjoy outside of work?
Do you drink alcoholic drinks?
Do you smoke? (I’m guessing not)
Those are honest questions, I am not trying to trip you up somehow, I just want to get a picture of where you are coming from.
My final question you don’t have to answer, as it is more of a mental exercise:
If an evil fairy waved her magic wand and said - “You can eat all of anything that you want and will remain healthy and your current weight, but - every time you have sex (with another or solo), you will gain weight”
It was an experiment run with older babies. They were offered a range of healthy, age-appropriate foods at every meal and allowed to eat whatever they wanted. Although they did not eat balanced meals every day, if you added up everything they ate over a week or more, they were meeting all their nutritional requirements. The catch is, for this discussion, there was no junk food on offer.
I made an analogy of obesity to Parkinsons shaking, and demanding the person shaking somehow use willpower to knock it off.
Could you imagine castigating a Parkisons sufferer like that, when we know the problem lies in the coding/programming/signalling/etc in the brain? Obesity recodes people… such that it is --essentially-- something that goes beyond willpower.
The problem must be addressed physiologically… and address the reality that something prevents people from using willpower, as they are over-ridden by the coding now embedded in them.
So, make it akin to fighting Parkinsons… just to drive home the point. Obese and/or once-obese people eat almost involuntarily. Since pleasure is derived, though, we ‘blame’ them.
I crave fatty, greasy things. I also crave sweet things and starchy things, although those cravings are much less severe than they were when I cut them out completely. What I don’t understand is why someone would cut out everything when they only really have to cut out half.
To anyone reading this, I offer a challenge–one that is nowhere near as crazy as the 3000 calories of meat challenge that was bandied about before. For 30 days, eat like this. Make no other changes to your exercise, just eat like that. For 30 days. If you want to maintain your weight, eat 100 to 150 grams of carbs a day, and none of them from grains, legumes, or refined sugar. If you want to lose weight, keep your carbs between 50 and 100. Calculate your lean body mass and eat .7 to 1 grams of protein per pound of lean mass. Pay attention to what oils you cook with–use olive oil, lard, butter, or coconut oil–don’t use corn, soy, or canola, but don’t be afraid to use oil. Put a bit of butter on your vegetables. For snacks, eat nuts (except peanuts, which are a legume). Have the occasional glass of red wine if you want a drink.
Report back to me in 30 days and tell me how you feel.
Drain Bead, how much dairy do you eat, and what kinds?
I noticed in the low-carb recipes thread you mentioned whipped cream + fruit . . . what is your stance on fruit?
Also, do you have any idea how many cals you consume/day?
Erk. Being an ovo/lacto-vegetarian, grains and legumes are my primary protein sources, with dairy and eggs after that, and some tree nuts. I’m somewhat boggled at the thought of coming up with a menu that would give me 90ish grams of protein a day from tree nuts, eggs, and (maybe) dairy.
I think I’d have to be eating a lot of tree nuts, because the thought of that many eggs makes me queasy.
Kind of like Taubes exaggerates and misrepresents the studies he cites?
Interesting (and telling?) choice of words. The devil is a figure who tempts you into sinful actions that you wouldn’t have chosen on your own. Given your general inability to take responsibility for any of your own actions, I’m not surprised that you’d couch an unhealthy food in such terms.
Who, exactly, do you think you’re arguing with here?
**Stoid **gets sneering superiority because she posts contradictory information and cites from someone whose “research” is clearly faulty, and then refuses to ever concede that her understanding may be even slightly less than complete.
Of course! Magical Diabeetus fairies cause the obesity and the diabetes!
[QUOTE=Wikipedia article on Diabetes Mellitus Type 2]
A number of lifestyle factors are known to be important to the development of type 2 diabetes. […] Obesity has been found to contribute to approximately 55% of cases of type 2 diabetes, and decreasing consumption of saturated fats and trans fatty acids while replacing them with unsaturated fats may decrease the risk. The increased rate of childhood obesity in between the 1960s and 2000s is believed to have led to the increase in type 2 diabetes in children and adolescents. […] [F]actors which can potentially give rise to or exacerbate type 2 diabetes […] include obesity, […] elevated cholesterol (combined hyperlipidemia), […] high-fat diets and a less active lifestyle.
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Please provide evidence of at least two (2) times on this forum where you became convinced you were wrong after a discussion, and admitted it publicly.
This whole post was made of win.
Maybe next you can talk about how persecution of fat people is just like the Holocaust. Ooh, ooh, I have a new catchphrase for you: “Fatty is the nigger of the world.”
This is actually a huge part of the fat acceptance movement, I’ve noticed. I read some of the FA blogs and stuff (less for the activism stuff and more for the fashion aspects), but—
Many of them contend that being morbidly obese isn’t unhealthy. Period. End of story. One I read on LiveJournal, you will literally get banned for suggesting to someone complaining about chronic knee pain that they may want to lose some weight, because being 400 lbs is hard on your joints. These places regularly post that diabetes and heart attacks aren’t at all linked to obesity, fat people are healthy (if not healthier) than thin people, etc etc delusional stuff.
Now, I like the fashion and I even like a more general Fat Acceptance idea: we should all love ourselves and learn to embrace our bodies- fat, skinny, tall, short, whatever. And if you are fat and want to get HEALTHIER, that’s fabulous- but you shouldn’t think you are some disgusting beast undeserving of love at …well, any weight. So, I like the general “love yourself” message, but goddamn, a lot of it gets way over shadowed by the idiocy I explained in the last paragraph.
Hah, a classic. I’m OK with other people eating whatever, but for the love of all that’s good, just don’t give me 50 eggs to down in an hour (or ask me to visualize doing it). :p. (green color appropriate here)
I’m very curious Crafter-Man, and this is a serious question: How miserable are you? You’ve said that you crave fat and sugar every day, and yet you have denied yourself all of these listed foods for 20 years. How much energy do you have to spend each day fighting the urge to eat, and doesn’t that take energy away from other activities like your job or your relationships? I’m asking because I think this is really the key to maintaining weight loss, that you have to find a way to deny yourself while not being so miserable all the time that you can’t function.
From your posts I’m getting that you don’t feel like every day is a struggle against the forces of unhealthy eating that threaten to destroy you. How have you managed to resist the cravings so long without sapping your will to live?
Are you under the impression that we all have amnesia about your food posts outside this thread? Some of us recall this thread, for example, in which you talk about making vats of beans cooked with ham hocks. Are beans low or high in carbs?
Really? Come on. Are there any solid studies that show a co-morbidity between ADD and being obese? I’m ADD too, and somehow have managed into my (weeks away from mid) 30s to keep my waist at no more than 28" even though I’ve got a wicked sweet tooth besides…by exercising to off-set the obscene amount of sweets I eat.
Yes, of course. The fact that thread is old is the point. She’s making it sound like people are basing their opinions of her eating habits on this thread alone with just the refs to the cake and cornbread when in reality, she’s talked quite a bit more about her eating habits.
I eat butter and occasionally I’ll have some cheese, mostly from grassfed sources. I need to start making my own mozzarella this summer (I love me some caprese salad) so that I can trust it’s from a grassfed source…or, I guess, use buffalo mozzarella. I do not drink milk, eat Greek yogurt, or anything like that.
I actually didn’t eat the whipped cream (other than a dollop on the tip of my finger to make sure it tasted okay before I served it to my husband and toddler) because I’m not a huge fruit fan. I will eat berries occasionally, but that’s it. I pretty much only eat them if I buy them from the farmer’s market, because I’m really picky about fruit. My toddler, on the other hand, eats fruit for about half of her diet, so she loved the whipped cream on her blueberries.
I don’t always track calories, but when I do, I get between 1600-1800. I try to get between 40-80 grams of carbs per day, and I usually end up around 50. Today, I had 3 scrambled eggs and 4 strips of bacon for breakfast, skipped lunch, and then for dinner I had most of an heirloom pork chop and a large plate of leftover cabbage. I’m drinking a glass of red wine right now–I’ll probably have 3 of those a week. I pay close attention to the source of my meats–this one is from a little farm in South Carolina (I believe Zyada is familiar with it–Caw Caw Creek) where the piggies run around in the forest eating acorns for their entire lives. No soy or corn feed at all. A bit more expensive, but worth every penny and then some!
Everyone in the thread who claimed that it would be impossible to lose weight through a low-carb, high-fat and protein diet (Submerged,billfish, and to a lesser degree, Crafter Man were the big ones I recall). Lots of snide comments about bacon soaked in butter. I’m trying to provide information on how to do it correctly and show people that it does, in fact, actually work.
Not at all. I’m happy, healthy, not fat, and active.
I guess I don’t understand why it would it take energy to “fight” the urges. I simply don’t eat them. It doesn’t take any energy to not eat them.
While I love “bad” food, the long-term pleasure and satisfaction I get from *not *being fat is much greater than the temporary pleasure or satisfaction I would get from eating the bad stuff.
A lot of people (most people?) have a strong emotional attachment to food. They would genuinely get depressed if they ate what I ate. A long time ago I also had an emotional attachment to food; eating fatty, greasy food brought me ***great ***pleasure. When I decided to get serious about my diet, I severed my emotional attachment with food. Instead of eating to satisfy my primordial urges, I decided to look at food simply as a source of nutrients and energy. For the last 20 years I have had a scientific relationship with food, not an emotional one.
I never want to go back to having an emotional relationship with food.
