Why undercut yourself by making so many things up out of whole cloth and getting so many simple facts so wrong? Really takes all the oomph right out of it.
But with practice and diligence, I’m sure your skills will improve.
I could say the same about your entire posting history in this thread.
Except I’m fairly sure you’ll remain at your present skill level.
Also feel free to correct any errors you feel I have made.
Let me expound on that a bit…
The only leap of logic I made was that the 600-calorie indulgences couldn’t possibly be the “big” indulgences. No one’s BIG indulgences are 600 calories. But…we haven’t heard about those from you, only the “small” indulgences. Meaning, you are not “lying,” but you also aren’t telling the whole story. Which…of course. It’s not like you’re going to sit down and type out every single thing you ate for the past year. HOWEVER, when you tell us that you HAVE TO indulge (which, I actually don’t disagree with), and yet you only tell us the small indulgences, it’s human nature to try to fill in the dots.
This is par for the course when it comes to fat people. When they ask you for advice, they tell you they’re only eating X calories per day, when in reality they’re eating 3X calories per day.
People lie to themselves – and others – all the time in an effort to garner sympathy and play the victim card. Every person in prison is innocent of their crimes – just ask them. Likewise, every fat person eats like a bird – just ask them. But go to their house and open their refrigerator and you’ll find the truth.
Case in point: my aunt weighs 400 pounds. She can barely walk. But according to her, it’s not her fault she’s fat; she “eats like a bird.” Plus she has a “medical condition.” When I opened her refrigerator the last time I was over there, guess what I saw? Cake, tubs of ice cream, cheese, butter, and a ton of fried/frozen foods. (None of that crap is in my refrigerator.) Based on her size, it’s obvious she binges on that stuff. She is lying to herself, and others. There is no hope. My aunt cannot be helped – she will be obese her entire life. Same with Stoid.
Are you her her doctor? A doctor? A nutrionist? Someone who is doing research in biology? Tell me, what qualifies you to make this pronouncement?
ADD doesn’t fix, dude. You manage it, you work with it. Medication may make it better, but it’s not a magic want.
If you’re predictions are so accurate, could you tell me what the Texas lottery numbers are going to be this next weekend?
What if the Texas lottery numbers had been coming up the same for 40 years and the lottery corporation kept saying “Don’t worry, we’ve figured out the problem! New scientific research has shown us how to REALLY randomize! They’ll be different next week for sure”?
Stoid, it’s been a couple of weeks now, right?
How are things working for you?
Ah yes, the 'ol “It’s not her fault she’s fat - she has a condition” excuse.
Given her current mindset, she will not lose weight.
What?
No wandering diatribe on the myriad of reasons/excuses why you can’t?
billfish, Stoid doesn’t eat humble pie.
You realize that there are thousands upon thousands of right-mindset failures, right?
Further, failure is the de facto norm. When an obese person tries to lose weight and keep it off, should they succeed (obese to BMI ideal range for several years or longer) they are indeed a rare, rare exception – a virtual medical freak. That means that obese people are – essentially – doomed to lose and regain or never lose at all. Success is almost entirely elusive. Fat = almost no chance to ever regain an ideal BMI and stay there.
You are all being very harsh (self important), which implies you are sitting on some pretty substantial (world changing) evidence that demonstrates that it takes ‘the right mind’. Ironically, it takes a virtually fucked up mind to go from obese+ to ideal BMI and maintain it year after year after year…
Did you know the ‘right mind’ of which you speak is usually a temporary state? Some cannot physically maintain the ‘right state of mind’. Why? Because the mind is the fucking brain, and the brain, an organ, is screwed up by a variety of factors, from insulin to numerous other drivers not completely understood, but which are completely screwed up from being obese. Becoming obese is virtual doom. It is, because there is no mental will to overcome it, unless one is lucky enough to have a resistant brain, contract a disease or become OCD.
My wife and I have been training people and around fitness, wellness, dietitians and a variety of other environments that work with people who have the right state of mind – motivated like no one you’ve ever seen before. We have a list of people who have taken a variety of approaches, and attacked it (obese to ideal BMI) with a vim and vigor that is undeniable, and we are challenged to name FIVE people who have done it.
And I pose the question to everyone I know in the fields we deal with, and I promise to seek out that successful person, and I try to include them in my log and talk to them or learn about them.
I don’t have ten people in 27 years to document. I am working with a gastric bypass case right now. If he is like the others (surgeries), he can expect to put all the weight back on. That’s a pretty big mental check to decide on surgery, meet eating coaches, etc. That’s a pretty good state of mind… just like all the others.
Obese = virtually doomed.
So it’s been about 5 weeks since you started this thread Stoid and about 3 weeks since you decided to try the low carb way of eating.
How much weight have you lost? Inches?
I am unsure what exactly your profession is but I’m curious: Do you tell your clients this?
YES.
Everyone is entitled to try and they are all completely convinced they can do it. And I give them every chance, offer options, guidance, etc.
The worst thing that happens is that they do get a bit more active, and often slow down or stop the trend of gaining weight. That becomes the realistic goal and more achievable: Get some physical activity, stop the curve up in weight gain and the curve down in health.
As for going from obese to ideal BMI and staying there, I don’t act like this is likely. It increases the motivation, but that does not work.
The problem is biological. We address it mentally. In all seriousness, people become zombies to their desires to eat, etc. It’s a bio-chemical reason, and it has to be addressed this way.
Lifestyle change via the right state of mind, motivation, resources, info, ETC: Ain’t happening.
It. Just. Isn’t.
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I agree. When a person goes on a diet, there is very little chance they will lose weight and (most importantly) *permanently *keep it off. Only those who possess a hardcore, almost militaristic mindset will be able to *permanently *keep it off. Like the vast majority of fat people, **Stoid **does not have this level of dedication and discipline (not even close), which is why her diet will fail.
I am not critical of **Stoid **because she’s fat. I am not critical of her because her diet will fail; as you mentioned, that’s the norm. I am critical of her because she does not acknowledge it. She believes she can lose permanently lose the weight while not being disciplined about it, which is patently false.
I’ve done it, and I would not consider myself having a “fucked up” mind. Admittedly, however, my eating habits are *very *much outside the norm. Just to name a few, I don’t eat fast food, fried foods, ice cream, cheese, pizza, bread, sour cream, butter, anything that is oil-based, cake, French fries, hamburgers, bacon, pancakes, meatballs, cookies, candy bars, cornbread, mayonnaise, onion rings, fat-laden snacks, milkshakes, or sugary drinks. I am fairly militant about it. It’s what I must do in order to not be fat. Been doing it for 20 years. Will do it unitl I’m dead.
Agree.
While it may be unlikely for someone to go “from obese to ideal BMI”, they most certainly can go from “obese” to “okay BMI” by changing their eating behaviour. I’ve done that myself.
I went from 6’ and 240 pounds (BMI of 32.5, which is obese) to 6’ and 190 pounds (BMI of 25.8, which is overweight, but not by much).
It’s not ideal, but I think it largely cuts down the health risks - and more to the point, it is stable. When I was 240, I was increasing - not by much, but steadily, year by year; if I’d done nothing, that 240 would have become 250, then 260 …
The reason was pretty simple: I ate too damn much, often recreationally - like regularly having a bag of chips watching TV - and did too little exercise.
My secret? None, really. I “brown bag” my lunches now - I have a salad of some sort and a small protein portion, and a couple of melba toasts. That’s a biggie, eating lunches at the food court isn’t great. I don’t eat recreationally any more. I exercise more. If I need to lose a bit of weight, I have a light breakfast (an apple, some no-fat yogurt, and a couple of melba toasts) rather than cereal, for a bit. Every once in a while I’ll eat out, but not every day.
I suppose I could go down to my BMI normal weight, by losing another 10 pounds, but I’ve never felt the necessity.
You’re fucked up! That mindset and militaristic approach is, essentially, unobtainable, and no one should expect such fucked up conditions!
Tongue-in-cheek, but somehow being serious simultaneously. 
I think you get the gist.
Definitely. 
I’m not alone; there are a few of us out there. I used to belong to a weight loss forum, and a small group of us called ourselves the “one percenters”. We were all in the same boat… we had all kept the weight off for many years, and would trade dietary tips and whatnot. We called ourselves the “one percenters” because (statistically speaking) we were the very rare success stories.
BTW: I am relating my experiences, NOT to brag, but to let people know what must be done to go from obese to normal BMI and keep the weight off. It’s no a picnic. In my case, the cravings for fatty, greasy food have *never *subsided. It takes a very very high level of dedication and discipline to succeed. 99% of obese people can’t do it, which indeed means you have to be somewhat fucked up in order to be successful at it.