Mark Rober’s got you covered:
Honking briefly to alert someone to your presence (so they can take evasive action) is one thing. Laying on the horn for ten seconds after the fact is a hostile gesture.
Mark Rober’s got you covered:
Honking briefly to alert someone to your presence (so they can take evasive action) is one thing. Laying on the horn for ten seconds after the fact is a hostile gesture.
Another road-rage shooting billed as revenge for being “cut off”. Looks more like rage over having someone attempt a slow-motion merge into your lane.
I think I’ll just walk on streets without traffic if I want to go anywhere.
Hint: if you want to go nuts in public, drive something less conspicuous.
I’ve been on the receiving end of such aggressive honks and in most cases it was because I was doing something utterly fucking stupid and needed the wake - up call. Likewise when I honk like that it’s usually because someone’s carelessness nearly caused an accident. I don’t consider it a hostile gesture at all in those cases. It’s a Holy Shit Dude, Pay Attention!
(Ten seconds is an unnecessarily long time. But two long honks, at least, is good practice for encouraging corrective action. No way that justifies any aggressive retaliation.)
Then there were the times that an accident was such a close call I was too piss-scared to honk at the driver.
We need a careful analysis of the other driver before we an assign relative fault here. Was the other driver, female, Asian or had otherwise disqualified from driving?
I keep misreading the thread title as “Blame the woman NOM” which really conjures a visual of the OP as a pathetic neckbeard complaining about “females” while stuffing Cheetos down his gullet by the fistful.
I saw the “MOM”, yet had the exact same visual after reading the OP.
When the OP started listing behaviors that were “unwomanly”, I wondered if they were off the approved list for all women or just WOMAN MOMs…
I’m still intrigued by the differentiation between women moms and men moms.
It really is one of my favorite thread titles. Like you know exactly what you’re in for when you open the thread. And it doesn’t disappoint.
You see, when a mommy mom and a daddy mom love each other very much they do a high five and make little baby moms.
Heather has gotten real tired of having to explain it.
(plus extra characters to get discourse to post this)
I don’t tend to think that way.
There are not only two options:
It’s a continuum. Those two points are its polar ends. Most of life is in the middle somewhere.
I might die in a car accident but I can and do wear my seat belt. It’s generally about odds, shades of gray, and stacking the deck in your favor.
My old best friend “trusted in the universe” and never locked the doors to his house. They lost everything in serial burglaries. Cause and effect ? Can’t know for sure, but their neighbors weren’t burgled.
Some smoke and never get lung cancer. Some never smoke and die of lung cancer.
I’m acutely aware of what things are beyond my total control, but – as I said upthread – some things are “can’t hurt, might help,” like wearing bicycle/motorcycle helmets and watching for traffic despite your right-of-way.
You tending to pay attention at crosswalks is basically a neutral or a positive, right ? It doesn’t tend to be a destructive practice.
But the same cannot really be said for reacting to road rage, whether or not it plays a role in a negative outcome.
[And I’m still not talking in terms of “blame” or “fault.”]
Some things are much more like “can’t help, might hurt.”
No.
As I said in that post you referenced, the pedestrian who is killed by an inattentive or sociopathic driver while legally crossing an intersection is often called “dead right.”
I’m boundlessly glad that you are living Doper and not somebody who is “dead right.”
I wish that for us all.
Incidentally, many industries have “after action” meetings, “post-mortems,” “morbidity and mortality” meetings, etc. – a format to look at what bad thing happened and how to prevent it going forward.
And it may very well involve serious harm or death.
What it doesn’t generally do is look to assign blame.
No, the families of the deceased are probably not usually directly involved, but I’m fairly comfortable in saying that the grieving family who lost their precious little 6yr old (the OP) isn’t here either.
Actually, I believe that is supposed to be “the differentiation between WOMEN MOMS and MEN MOMS.”
ETA: On reflection, I believe the plural forms might be “WOMAN MOMS” and “MAN MOMS.”
I imagine the well known fifties movie Attack of the WOMAN MOMS!
ETA: and its sequel MAN MOMS vs. WOMAN MOMS!
This really needs to be emphasized. Some here expressed a belief that the odds of having an interaction with someone like that are so small as to not be worthy of considering, yet many of us have shared episodes that have occurred to ourselves or our loved ones.
These people are a given. They are out there on the roads as a known hazard whether we are think they all deserve the death penalty or not. Saying that they should not be there is like saying there should be no potholes: both are nevertheless a fact.
I try to avoid running into potholes. I know that I can still run into one anyway, maybe have nothing bad happen usually but still maybe blow out a tire doing so, maybe even get into an accident as a result. But if I see one I will try to avoid it as best I safely can. If I see it and I intentionally drive into it is it all the pothole’s “fault” that a flat results, or that I got into an accident and someone got hurt?
“Fuck you!”/“the finger” may seem “mild” to some here, but I can state with absolute confidence that many people receive that as a hostile challenge, as having a fight picked with them, and some are looking for a fight, looking for a target for their anger and frustration. I honestly think very few people receive a “Fuck you!” without experiencing anger (or increased anger) as a response, without at some level experiencing it as a verbal shove, and experiencing a desire to shove back harder. (There may be words that you hear as very offensive that others think are mild, that you rightfully expect others to not use.)
Best case is that the other driver is not very angry to begin with and they go along fairly unaffected. More commonly the result is that an angry driver driving aggressively has been made more angry. Maybe that only results in a higher chance of them causing an accident with someone else. Or maybe they were already far enough along that they use their car as weapon, or in a more extreme case, a handy weapon as a weapon.
Not your fault that they were provoked. You are NOT part of the problem. You have every right to swear at anyone who you want in any way you want with whatever words you want, and the consequences, be they experienced by you or to someone else down the road, are not on your head.
Avoiding conflict with other drivers is a basic part of driving defensively, and driving defensively saves lives. Intentionally engaging in conflict involving vehicles OTOH …?
I hope I am not quoting you unfairly this time.
From my perspective the time after a catastrophic outcome is exactly the time to do a root cause analysis of it. It is part of what we do as the best possible way to actually work towards our all altering our group behaviors to minimize the risks of future should be never events.
The OP was an obvious troll who threw sexist misogynistic chum into the water of The Pit and got to enjoy the predictable churn of posters (which apparently is me blaming the victims that the posters who take the bait are?). Fine, you enjoy your recreational outrage. I’ve made my victim-blaming rape-enabling shit-picking, points, that was outside of the circle knee-jerk that had been in progress, at least as well as I can. I had no intention to provoke such anger in response.
OP MIA since a post in the #40’s.
Right around when he stopped being the center of attention. Shocking.
So that’s how to do that! Thank you! I’ve been trying to figure that out (been away from the Dope for quite a while, since before the changeover).
Don’t know how I’ll manage it on a tablet rather than laptop or desktop, though.
/hijack
I manage it via cell phone 99% of the time. It’s mostly do-able.