Obviously, you don’t know a lot. Taken from post #167.
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The defense playing better [del]is[/del] can be, in part, attributed to the offense.
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My goodness. Did you even read what I wrote or what you wrote?
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The defense playing better is can be, in part, attributed to the offense.
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So, attributing defensive turnaround to the offense is somehow NOT the same as attributing defensive turnaround to the offense?
This isn’t some kind of gotcha. You claimed the defensive turnaround could be attributed to the offense, which is the same as saying they play better because the offense is playing better (which you attribute to Tebow).
You attributed to him “entirely”. He actually said “in part”.
My goodness indeed.
Sorry, hyperbole is not an excuse for misrepresentation.
The difference between getting partial credit for helping the defense (whether by inspiring or by clock control) and getting full credit is significant. You can disagree with giving Tebow even partial credit, but it’s beyond hyperbole to misrepresent that as giving him full credit.
The problem is that OMG made it clear that Tebow, while it may not rise to the level of “all”, is the largest factor. Not players getting healthy, not adjusting to a new defensive coordinator and head coach’s system, not the emergence of the likely Defensive Rookie of the Year, but instead Tebow is the main reason the defense has been playing so well. While that falls short of giving “all” the credit to Tebow, it’s close enough to “all” to be well worthy of mockery and derision.
Have you read this thread? “Tebow is the only difference between the beginning of the season and now.” “Tebow makes the defense play better.” Yeah, totally outrageous.
Meh. So, there was very slight misrepresentation on my part. Now call it the same for both sides.
Apparently, that’s ok for OMG, though (if you’ve read all the posts), who backpedaled slightly on attributing ALL the credit to Tebow and now only attributes MOST of the credit to him.
Tell you what - take a look at these earlier posts and try to work out exactly how he doesn’t attribute the lion’s share of the credit to Tebow.
Actually, that last post actually does put it all on him, come to think of it, so that’s the evidence that at least at one point in time my initial statement was correct and a bit of backpedaling has occurred over the last couple weeks.
If you think something is outrageous and worthy of mockery and derision, by all means have at it. But if you’re right about that, you should be able to proceed along those lines without distorting what the guy said.
One guy might say that Obama is doing a great job and another finds that outrageous and worthy of mockery and derision. But if the second guy mocks it by pretending that the first guy said Obama is the greatest president ever - that’s something else, and not hyperbole either.
It’s been pointed out to you the OMG considers Tebow insertion into the lineup as the only change from the beginning of the season. He did claim the defensive turn around is due to Tebow. Claiming he did so is not misrepresenting his position, regardless of whether or not he’s backpedaled on it.
“Entirely” due to Tebow? Where?
So you think me saying the defense playing better can partly be attributed to the offense is the same as the defense playing better being entirely of Tebow’s doing? My goodness. How did you make such a drastic leap in logic? Could you show me exactly where I said this?
Though you could save yourself the time as you wouldn’t be able to find me a single post where I said “Tebow is single-handedly responsible for the defensive turnaround”, on account of it not existing.
There is no backpedaling.
If you would notice, at that point in time, I was arguing with people who’s position was that the team was winning in spite of Tebow and/or that the fact that the defense improved only at the time Tebow became the starter and had the offense suited to his strengths to be a coincidence. On the flip side, I was arguing that Tebow being inserted into the offense and having it suited to his play helped the defense. That last post you quoted has nothing to do with “giving all the credit to Tebow”, but rather calling into question the assertion that Tebow had nothing to do with the better defensive play of the Broncos since he became the starter.
I posted this after the Chicago game.
Tonight I mentioned the concept to a friend of mine. He pointed out to me that many NFL fans consider Bill Belichick to be the Devil. The cheating, the crappy hoodie that makes him look evil, the compliments of Tebow, it all makes sense.
Belichick is the Devil that owns Tebow’s soul.
He made some bad mistakes this game. But, his throwing motion is improving. The first half team rushing was incredible. And, considering the big disadvantage of fumbles in your own territory, I thought the D still did a respectable job. Denver has replaced the Browns of the 80s (Bernie Kosar) as the Cardiac Kids.
Someone around here made the point that while Tebow takes pride in not turning the ball over (a good thing, mind you) sometimes he seems so scared about throwing a pick, that he only throws to wide open receivers. So he throws it away a bunch of times, which happened yesterday.
Then at the end of the game yesterday when he took the big sack - it was 4th and 17, so what if you get picked off? Chuck it up there and take a chance a receiver makes a play, don’t run around backwards waiting for a perfect opportunity that rarely comes in the NFL.
The New England Patriots beat the Denver Messiah. There’s a history/politics joke in there somewhere.
That kind of decision will come with experience, which he hasn’t got a lot of compared to everyone else in the league. I think it’s not in his nature to take chances…yet. I really hope he gets another season as a starter, he’s come a long way in 2 months.
No, Bill Parcells is the Devil. Belichick is his Antichrist.
Eh, I know it was a meaningless play, down 18 with under 2 minutes - but a QB needs to know that if you are going for it on 4th and 17, he needs to throw the ball. Hell, just throwing it away would have saved 29 yards.