I will stab the next fuckwit that says socialist

Fuck every dipshit that says socialism with an eye roll and a valley girl ‘whatever’ voice. You know who is a socialist country that’s not so bad? We are. The United States. We good and righteous defenders of free markets everywhere are also socialists.

Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security are socialist. The police who protect you from the worst of us, and the guys who rush into burning buildings to save your Abba records and your cocker spaniel. Those guys are paid for through socialism.

The freeway that lets you careen to work at speeds unimaginable through most of human history, paved in the dead of night by magical tar elves who live only to paint the horizon with ribbons of buttery asphalt. Those are communally funded.

The biggest, strongest, most technologically advanced military in the history of the world, the guys who won the cold war, defending us against the socialist menace, are publically funded.

The junior high dance where you talked to Lindsey Jean Applejack as you as stared at the constellation of freckles across the bridge of her nose and hoped as you slow danced that she wouldn’t notice your boner brushing ever so slightly against the inside of her thigh, knowing you should pull away, but hypnotized by the feeling, hoping heaven would be so nice. That was a socialist funded affair.

The airports that lets you see the see the pyramids, or the Parthenon, or the white sand beaches of everywhere warm and delicious, or to see your cancer ravaged dad, the best man you ever knew, one last time before he slips into the night. Those are built and supported by taxes, as well and the guy who feels you up and looks at your sort of naked silhouette in an x-ray, which admittedly sucks, but he’s just making sure you don’t have a bomb under your nuts and trying to save up to buy his daughter (who’s a nice person and really good at math) a second hand car.

The Lincoln Memorial and Mount Rushmore are publicly funded, and arguably mostly useless, but also pretty cool, and what’s the point of living if you can’t make a giant fucking statue out of a mountain every once in a while just to let the bears and the possums know who’s boss?

The crazy bastards who flew into OUTER SPACE and the rocket scientists who put them there, the guys who paved the way for the space age, the guys who made cell phones and satellite tv possible, the guys without whom you wouldn’t be watching the Eastern Romanian bantamweight wrestling semi-finals at 3am on a Tuesday for no good reason other than you can. They were public employees. Badass, mutherfucking public employees.

That high school teacher who took a little extra interest in you in spite of the fact that you were sullen and judgmental and dead set against ever making anything of yourself, but also, maybe, underneath all that crusty horseshit, he could see you were a little bit smart too. He’s a commie.

Even GM is socialist now, and the 67 Chevelle is the crowning achievement of the science age.

We’re a mixed economy. Some things are private and some public, and not because of any moral imperative, but because both systems seem to work a little better at some things and not so well at others. Because the world is big, and people are complicated, and no one system is ordained by the maker and perfect at everything. We are brilliant and brave and ambitious, but we are also petty and mean and frequently full of shit, and it takes a grab bag of approaches to keep the world humming along. And that’s FUCKING OK. Who made you the almighty defender of the philosophical musings of some long dead Scottish twat in a powdered wig anyway?

You know who else is a mixed economy? Fucking everyone. You know why? Because it fucking kinda works. Settle the fuck down and try a decaf every now and then.

Socialism gave me boners in high school? Well, then, I’m all for it.

Haters gotta hate. “Socialism” is the trigger-word of the day. It’s losing its power, and is kinda tired and trite. I’m sure there are think-tanks out there working hard to come up with the next trigger word.

Um, I don’t think you know what “socialism” means any better than the fuckwits who think it is TEH EVIL. A country in which the government pays for certain things, such as public buildings, infrastructure, or the military, is not thereby socialist. If it were, every country with a central government that has ever existed throughout history would be socialist. The word does actually have a meaning, however.

I do not have, nor have ever had ABBA albums.

And your collection of Japanese tentacle porn?

Four years ago I started a thread asking what socialism is. I gave my definition, and about seven or eight others weighed in. None of us really agreed.

So I’m curious, what do you say it is?

It is my right to possess ABBA albums and your right to rage against it. But whatever your tastes, our communally funded firefighters will rush into burning buildings to salvage your crappy music. God Bless America!!!

And Mt Rushmore & the Lincoln Memorial? Totally badass. FU capitalism :cool:

I think you may have just made the OP’s point for him.

I was under the impression that governments like England which basically take care of all Medical Treatment, extremely lenient Welfare programs, as well as supposedly codling their criminals was considered Socialist. Personally I always considered it kind of sad that although the idea of socialism sounds great, two of the most totalitarian governments that ever existed called themselves socialist

I was under the impression that governments like England which basically take care of all Medical Treatment as well as supposedly codling their criminals was considered Socialist. Personally I always considered it kind of sad that although the idea of socialism sounds great, two of the most totalitarian governments that ever existed called themselves socialist. Truthfully what I know about how England runs could fit into a teacup and everything I just said could be totally wrong or stereotyped.

So apparently nobody doesn’t know what socialism is. :stuck_out_tongue:

But seriously, although it is a complex idea with many variant forms, and there is much to argue about from both sympathetic any unsympathetic perspectives, the word is not so ambiguous that you cannot get a good sense of what of what it means by looking in a dictionary or two, or even in Wikipedia. There are probably things that some people might argue with in those accounts, but none of them are way off beam either.

For sure it not what the OP seems to think it is. There is nothing there about promoting equality or doing so via the public (or otherwise common) ownership of major productive industries, the two main planks of socialism. Government doing stuff for the benefit of the people it governs does not equal socialism, it just equals having a government (that is not entirely corrupt and keleptocratic). The governments of Chinese and Roman emperors, Egyptian Pharaohs and medieval kings, did things for their people, built public works, aqueducts, maintained armies, often provided some sort of welfare for the indigent. They were not, by any stretch of the imagination, socialist. (No more, of course, is the present government of the United States.)

The OP is of course right, that the animus against government doing anything that is currently so prevalent in America is stupid, absurd, and dangerous to the nation and its people, and that it absurd and false to object to any attempt to improve the nation’s condition by government action by calling it a form of socialism. But that is is not just because it is not axiomatic that socialism is a bad thing (which I think is the OP’s point), but more fundamentally, because most of these things that government does are not socialist at all, they are just (attempted) good government.

Your impression is about 97% wrong, although there was a time, in the wake of WWII, when a non-negligible proportion of British industry was government owned, so there was a (very limited) degree of socialism. Nearly all of that is long since gone.

Socialism has nothing whatsoever to do (one way or the other) with coddling criminals. Do you think Stalinist Russia coddled criminals?

Growing up in the 80’s (in America) the most common definitions were:
Capitalism - The means of production are privately owned.
Communism - The means of production are government owned.
Socialism - State ownership is preferred, but private ownership is allowed.

Of course means of production wasn’t the only determining factor. We consider(ed) the UK socialist for things like socialized medicine and other social programs that caused their taxes to be much higher than ours.

Anyway, I’ve come to define it as any system in-between laissez faire Capitalism and Soviet style Communism. Which pretty much encompass most countries, I know. So to me, it’s mostly a matter of degree.

America is slightly socialistic. The UK is more. France is even more.

Monogamy is socialism for low status males. In a free market Brad Pitt and corporate CEOs could have 100 wives, like the kings of old.

U.S. sports leagues are more socialist. They actually punish teams for spending too much money and reward failing teams. Talk about un-American.

Families are communist. “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” And Republicans fervently support that pinko stuff.

…are no friends to mankind.

I think the cooler, sexier ignorant trigger-word now is “Marxist” or “Marxism”. For extra swagger, you could go for a bit more panache with “cultural Marxism”. And remember that you don’t even need to know what either of those terms actually mean. Just use them to describe anything you don’t like.

Not sure all of the examples of the OP are actually socialism, but damn that was one well written rant. Thumbs up!

It helps if you read it with a Dennis Leary rapid-fire delivery in your mind.

Now I really regret being so antisocial-ist in junior high.

Agreed.

And even if the specific examples are text-book Socialism, the point is spot on. Somehow we’ve accepted certain state/local/federally programs to be OK, but introducing other ones is not and makes people shriek “Socialsm”.