Just to bring you up to speed, that has not been the law of the land for a couple of generations now.
I shouldn’t start this now because I have pads and rotors to install this afternoon, but . . .
I will not speak for Czarcasm, but I believe at the very most ones faith should influence their politics not mandate their politics. It is a secular institution at all levels and needs to respect all religions (and the biggest fights are among the Abrahamic monotheistic ones, often one sect within a faith against another in the same faith e.g.: Catholic/protestant in Christendom and Shiite/Sunni within Islam).
I think it is best if government remains entirely secular. I have never noticed a great deal of scripture covering building roads and bridges, or fire stations, or even public schools. Immigration and defense and taxation are mentioned, but only in the accept and suffer well vein of thought for the most part.
And I will repeat this for the umpteenth time: If either your religion or your politics insist you ignore established and provable science – they are not religions or politics, they are cults!
These frauds need to repent
Amen, brother!
If you want to see a sample of Evangelical mindset right now, look at what my friend posted when Beth Moore(an evangelical speaker who just spoke out against Trumpism) made her anti-Trumpism claim.
Name removed/blocked-out.
Some people are simply untalkable-to now. They cannot be budged.
Status: “Awakened” That is so sad and so disturbing. These people are SO starved for a sign of some sort that the unrighteous world IS somehow going to get the smiting it deserves and they have been repeatedly promised it’s coming soon, that they believe they are seeing that sign be revealed now.
Thank you for posting this.
More than half of my tribe has reluctantly retreated from the fight and are accepting reality more or less. The fact that people feel so strongly about this call her a sell out is so sad because (if you truly believe in free will) it is completely avoidable.
As an example of the gullibility of one stubborn holdout in my circle (she still believes God will deliver Trump the Presidency because “it was prophesied”) here is a link she sent me this morning.
I wrote back and asked her why no news outlet followed up and interviewed any passenger, or the loved ones of passengers. Like Trump being a “Godly Man” she believes this happened. I just can’t fathom anyone lacking skepticism at this level.
It’s his name + awakened. Like if his name was Bill Smith, his Parler name is:
@billsmithawakened
Very sad.
So very true!
It is not about facts or logic or anything earthly or human. Just as JRDelirious said, it is a certainty in their heart —
I was so wrong when I started this thread. I honestly believed if some could see the truth about the candidates it would force them to see the larger truth. For some of these individuals the only larger truth is that Trump is God’s anointed one and for God to prevail Trump must prevail. Anything else is equal (in their minds) to telling them the world is flat.
I got suspended on one such message board for criticizing false prophets. Apparently you must believe false and true prophets alike.
Which is contrary to what is written down as Jesus’ and the Apostles’ own teaching, but there you have them.
Hey – don’t go blaming him on me!
Jesus wasn’t a true Christian!
Seriously.
I. don’t. get. it. How in the name of Holy Farting Fuck could anyone possibly think that someone who has routinely broken all Ten Commandments during his entire life is some sort of Holy Savior?
Fallback answer when they get trapped: God works in mysterious ways.
The best answer I’ve seen is just how these types of Christians are primed to believe the conspiratorial language used first by Trump (“fake news” and such) and later more expertly by QAnon. It’s just easier for these types to ignore reality for what they want reality to be.
The Trump supporting Christians I’ve talked to all seem to have one thing in common: they don’t actually believe that Trump is as bad as anyone says. They don’t believe the media. They may accept a few bad things Trump has done, but see them as the exception. He just can’t be bad while pushing the whole Christian grievance politics, or being anti-abortion. He can’t be bad when he calls out those liberals who do all those debaucherous things.
They also seem to be the type who aren’t taught the stuff like “test the spirits.”* They’re the kind that are more into feelings that principles. The televangelists use the right language, so they have that feeling. QAnon even uses that language.
One other thing I’ve noticed is how much QAnon sounds a lot like the stuff I would hear from those obsessed with the “end times” and trying to decode the Bible to find out what was going to happen. Now they can decode this Q instead.
Throw in that they are taught not to question and just accept things from authorities (not even bothering to check if the Bible agrees with them, let alone using reasoning), and add that they’ve been taught to vote R despite them not adhering to a whole lot of what the Bible teaches anyways, and you have a perfect recipe to get them to ignore reality itself in order to put their faith in this man.
The one believer I have to work hardest to understand (or forgive) is SOOO guilty of this! Reality is what she wants reality to be. Period! No room for real reality-- her reality takes all …grumble, grumble, I can’t even say how frustrating this is!
A lot of Christianity is predicated on believing something against all evidence to the contrary. For instance, when Moses was about to split the Red Sea, there was no evidence to believe that that was what was about to happen - by all appearances, the Israelites appeared set to be wiped out by Pharoah’s army. When Daniel was thrown into the lion’s den, there was no reason to believe the lions wouldn’t eat him; when his three friends were cast into a fiery furnace there was no reason to believe they wouldn’t be burned a bit, when teenage David went up against giant Goliath, there was little reason to believe he’d prevail, when Noah was told there was a Flood coming, there was little or no reason for the remainder of the world to believe it would happen. The many many thousands of Christians who were martyred are lauded today for having been persistent to the death. This then all leads to an ethos of “Have faith and persist, regardless of all naysayers.”
Unfortunately, as you can imagine, this brings a cancerous offshoot with it - many people then fall for, "Have faith and persist, regardless of naysayers, even if you or some prophet are wrong." Once these people have this mindset that defiance and persistence in the face of all ‘common sense’ is a sign of faith, you cannot budge them out of it even if they are wrong.
Persistence when you are right, is great. Persistence when you are wrong, is terrible. But these people have no filter to discern the two.
As you can see below, right in this very thread we have someone who can justify Trump’s lack of character as a positive.
It doesn’t have to make sense – "All things work together for good for those who love God…
This is a great set-up if things are good it is because God blesses; if things are bad it is because man is imperfect. Heads God wins, tails ‘God’s enemy’ loses.
This is the wisest thing said in this thread so far.
The great American philosopher and frontiersman Davy Crockett said it this way: “Be sure you are right [first] then proceed with all your might!”