Idiot Teacher Strikes Again

Read the article.

And it all resides within your thick scull.

How would you feel if the same thing happened to you when you had a 40 minute deadline at work?

Would you stand up and say. “Fun is fun, but stop this shit, I have things to get DONE.”

Do you think that the kid in question could tell the TEACHER and the rest of the kids (yes kids/children) in class to stop when the TEACHER(authority/bully) actually eggs them on?

Well?

Adults don’t do that kind of shit. The teacher is supposed to be an adult.

A little gentle ribbing is fine. Then it is right to business, and if anything, the teacher should be there to defend the Bronco fan.

If the story is true, it is way, way over the line.

Cite? I suspect that this is total bullshit.

Weirddave, you might want to use a fine point detail brush, not a paint roller.
:rolleyes:

Now, I can see some good-natured ribbing from the teacher. The part about, “Hey, now you can’t sit in that desk-that’s my desk!” Then, if the kid does take you seriously, and starts to sit on the floor, the teacher would probably say, “Oh, I was kidding-take your seat.”

I had teachers in high school who teased us, but not to the point where they encouraged shit like this.

OtakuLoki, I had more teachers bully me in private school than at a public high school. In my 7th grade math class, my teacher basically egged the students on because I couldn’t finish my test in time. (She was going to let us have a free period).

How about the all Woman’s college by Philadelphia called Beaver College.

I read all the linked ones in this thread. Almost every description of how “horrible” the situation was began with either “Josh said…” or “he (meaning Josh) said.”

I conceded to there being immaturity in play on the teachers end.

I have my doubts that this story played out exactly as it is being presented, myself. If you’ll recall in my first post, I said “Seems to me that everything is being blown way out of proportion and probably more than a little exaggerated.”

Right into his scull, huh? :dubious: He looked basically alright in the subsequent pictures (exaggerated pout notwithstanding) for having such a head wound.

So we seem to be in general agreement in around half of the points you made.

Yes, and I wore my Broncos hat in Steelers country, especially when they were playing each other. Yeah, there was a little crap back and forth at times with my friends, but it was all friendly. Now, it sometimes got uglier between me, the lone Broncos fan in Steelers country, and the lone Chargers fan in Steelers country, but that’s a divisional thing. And yes, we were on good terms.

It’s still assault, and still public humiliation.

Personally, I think the teacher should be forbidden any employment involving/contact with children. The students who cooperated should be expelled. I was bullied by both teachers and students, and frankly, I think that’s fairly mild punishment. Emotionally, what I’d like to do is have them all shot.

(Long, but from a much longer work. Probably still fair use.)

This is what the teacher did. To an emotional teenager. Is it right, is it just to commit a ‘hate crime’? As an example? This is what it was. It may not have been to a protected class, but even the teacher’s own excuse says that this is what he did.

Certainly, it would be best if the young man had gutted it out. But he didn’t. And he shouldn’t have to. Abuse is still abuse, no matter where it comes from.

Casey1505-

Who is responsible for keeping control of a classroom?

Or, a seminar with adults?

Or a group of octogenarians, that need to take blood tests?

Man oh man am I glad that I am not in HS today. It was bad enough when I got humiliated in school, sometimes with the help of the teacher, but to have it become part of the national discussion would have been more than I could bear.

Speaking as a teacher, this teacher is an asshole. He is supposed to be the adult in the room, not the leader of the pack. Grow up, frat boy.

You’ve obviously never been bullied.

If the events took place as described…

Anyone else appalled that the teacher was allegedly teaching a class in ethnic relations? :eek:

Demonisation of the Other, yep. That’s the kind of teaching that starts wars. And wars are just as easily started over stupid stuff, too, as in this case.

They’re both tools.
People who are calling what the teacher did abuse are playing pretty fast and loose with that definition, in my opinion. Embarrassing maybe, immature definitely, abusive not by a long shot. He does sound like your typical pathetic fanatic though.
And the kid’s story doesnt add up. The teacher wouldn’t let him sit in his seat and forced him to sit in the middle of the circle? How, by telling him he’ll get a zero if he doesn’t? “Sure thing teach, here’s my test, I have to go have a nice chat with the principal now.” Would that have been so hard.
But surely, after the test he marched right down to the principals office and reported this traumatizing, dehumanizing event. Well, right after lunch anyway.
The kid also sounds painfully immature. “I’m going to have to deal with him for two more nine-weeks (school quarters), and he’s going to want revenge somehow” - Self-described honor student Josh. You bet Josh, I bet he’s in his secret hideout now scheming. Seriously, would anyone over the age of 12 use the word revenge in a context like this.

I’d like to hear one of students tell the story, since I don’t really take either side at their word. If I had to guess, there was probably some playoff banter going on for a few weeks. Each side getting their barbs in. Josh wears Bronco jersey. Teacher teases him, says something like, “Seems like Josh likes to be the center of attention, so let’s make him center of attention.”

:eek: I’m mostly in agreement with Der Trihs about something!
Well, I don’t think the students who cooperated should be expelled. They aren’t as responsible as the teacher, and I think they should get off fairly easy. If they continue to give him crap about it, then they should get a more serious punishment.
I also wouldn’t want them to be shot, but that would be my immediate thought before I calmed down.

That nonsense is, or should be, a fire-able offense. Period. As for who “owned the desk”, the taxpayers own the desk.

You’re kidding, right? People around here are always complaining that kids don’t do what they’re told. But the fact is, most kids and teenagers are conditioned to do what they’re told. This kid did what he was told. He took the test under duress because an adult was telling him what to do. The kids who threw the paper wads were doubtless doing so because an adult was telling them to do it.

You’ve never had a teacher who had it in for you? Or a classmate in that situation? For that matter, you’ve never been jerked around by a supervisor? I can’t count how many Dopers have told of crap they’ve taken from a supervisor because they needed the paycheck. For a high school kid, grades are their paycheck. If a teacher decides to dish out crap, the kid puts up with it because the teacher has the final say over his grade. There are allllll kinds of ways for a teacher to mess with a student. Adults report workplace friction to HR; Josh reported this abuse to the principal. Has anyone on the Dope ever been criticized for complaining to HR?

Because, in addition to not doing anything to actually solve this sort of problem, the people who end up being punished are the students attending in that district. The retraction of funding for schools has never been a good option for galvanizing reform. In the end, the students only suffer more, and that doesn’t strike me as a solution to any kind of problem.

To casey1505: may I sincerely say as one who was tormented and bullied from elementary through middle school: FUCK YOU. You clearly have not the least capacity to understand how painful wadded-up balls of paper and the verbal abuse that comes with them can be. They may as well be bricks for how harmless they are. And on top of that, to have a figure of authority condoning, nay encouraging this bullying? And participating in it himself? That is the ultimate betrayal of trust and responsibility as an educator, as an adult, and as a human being. Bullying does NOT build character, it is NOT an acceptable part of growing up, it does not a whit except inflict misery and even psychological harm to those children who must suffer it. That teacher, for instructing the other students to partake in such abuse (yes, it IS abuse - what kid has perspective, asshole?) is of the lowest, most despicable kind of person you can find. Fuck your stone-age “suck it up” attitude, and while your at it, fuck you, too.

I would. I had several teachers/schoolworkers devolp vendettas against me. For example, I recall one elementary school yard duty who got in trouble for abandoning her assigned area so she could follow me around and harass me.

IMHO, a fair number of teachers are bullies who specifically went into education to hurt children; this teacher is likely one of them. I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t planning revenge.

There’s a difference between a teacher giving you shit and a teacher telling you that he’ll give you a 0 on your exam if you don’t sit on the floor in a circle surrounded by your classmates.

I’m not sure why it seems you think something like that is just normal “teachers busting your ass.”